I rest my case.

Interesting? ? ?

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ellumbra

Interesting discussion here:

http://www.gameops.net/2010/04/timothy-ellis-cumper.html

jepoy

“You are probably mixing business with friendship, since you say “encouraging me to set up websites for their business in the UK”.
Mr. Jalbuena was probably being friendly to you without being your friend. Do you know that there’s a difference between “friendly behaviour” and “my friend”? Most of the people you met were probably just being friendly and hospitable to you, which is part of their culture.”

Well – we are being rather picky – how is it expected to develop a true friendship in 10 days?
My entire time was spent focused on the relationship – the girl – my girl”friend” – the love of my life – my future.
I am not the type to go out drinking in bars.
Deep friendships become sparser as we get older.

“Have you considered that you were just behaving like an asshole, from the point of view of the ones who were dealing with their problems in their country? And that your behaviour let them leave you alone because they felt your attitude insulting?”

Of course that is a possibility.
Had their focus been spread across a broad spectrum of understanding, and not solely on the money – perhaps there would have been space in their communications to appreciate the dilemma and urgency that I was faced with.
I was on the edge of my seat 24 hours a day during that time – waiting – confused and bewildered by the ambiguity of it all.

Did that go unnoticed?
The responses I was getting seemed to indicate that it did.
The “idea” – and that’s all it was realistically, no more than an idea – was hoisted upon me from their shores.
It was down to them to give me adequate cause to believe it – it was not down to me to invent and believe excuses for people that might have been trying something on.
How unreasonable is that expectation?
Was I supposed to trust the love – implicitly – blindly?
That is precisely the expectation in a scam situation – the benefit of the doubt will always yield to the emotional conditioning.

“You keep measuring a foreign country and people with your british ruler and that’s quite retarded.”

Great word – retarded.
In the absence of a thorough knowledge – what else can be used to measure?
You are using hindsight as a weapon – demonstrating your commitment with hatred.

I am quite capable of reading, absorbing and understanding your perspective.
It is already a cliché – it has already been stated countless times before.
Nevertheless – it comes under the category of “excuses made on behalf of.”
It is simply more speculation, but of a different flavour.

Yes – I agree – it is monstrously boring – covering the same ground time after time – and always arriving back at the same ultimate conclusion.
The struggle that has ensued is entirely about the publicity, the perception and people’s energetically voiced objections to that publicity.
They will attempt to get a foothold on the truth that lies beneath the surface of the story – but fail – just as I have done.
I am interested in that truth for its own sake – not simply to be used as a crowbar of perception.
The story needs no other exposure – especially a patently distorted exposure – to garner an incited support.
That is what has happened.
Under the cloak of moral outrage – there hides a purely business oriented strategy.

That is of no value whatever in my search for the truth – because it patently cannot be trusted.

ellumbra

“From what i gathered reading your blog you probably went there with an excessive thinking about money and business”

You could not be more wrong. If that is a product of your understanding – then no wonder your other assessments of me are completely off target.

Absolutely, astonishingly, brilliantly – WRONG.

had you been inside my body at that time – you would have felt nothing but an adoration, a happiness that you had not experienced before – a love, that seemed far too good to be true.

ellumbra

You are probably mixing business with friendship, since you say “encouraging me to set up websites for their business in the UK”.
Mr. Jalbuena was probably being friendly to you without being your friend. Do you know that there’s a difference between “friendly behaviour” and “my friend”? Most of the people you met were probably just being friendly and hospitable to you, which is part of their culture.

“I can expect the urgency of the situation to fully comprehended by all those allegedly there to help.
I can understand the translation of my requests, by these people, as a priority – for the sake of the relationship and for the sake of countering my justified suspicions.
I cannot understand why – when none of the above happened – I was not immediately informed of the reasons, and alternatives suggested.
I was faced instead with what appeared to be a blank refusal to cooperate, combined with emotional hyperbole.”
Have you considered that you were just behaving like an asshole, from the point of view of the ones who were dealing with their problems in their country? And that your behaviour let them leave you alone because they felt your attitude insulting?

You don’t know much more than what everybody can read on the web about the Philippines, you lack a real knowledge of the place, probably because when you were there
-your stay was short
-you were confused by the mix of love, desire to change your life completely, fear of being scammed or be the golden goose there forever
-you had no time and/or no chance to make real friends there, somebody who cares for you and not only for the business websites.

I know enough about health care in the Philippines; i have eyewitnessed a situation where a girl about to give birth and needing a cesarean was kept out of the surgery room until her man came back with some cash and some medicines he had to buy in an external pharmacy. You keep measuring a foreign country and people with your british ruler and that’s quite retarded.
Then if one day the Big Revelation comes you’ll prove me to be wrong but you are the one who can’t apparently detach for a second from his own biased point of view.

Anyway i have enough of playing tennis with you, i have tried to show you a few things from a different perspective but you keep talking the same bullshit.
If somebody doesn’t fully believe in your version of the story, he/she “hasn’t tried hard enough”: that equals to say that you own the irrefutable truth but when you are asked for proof you only can give suspicion and jigsaw.
So have fun, i’ll go to some other place where i can exchange opinions with other readers; you are boring.

Briscolone

“I don’t have a particular commitment and i ain’t obsessed, thanx all the gods for that; my only requirement is that you publicly apologize for your stupid behaviour, spamming, accusing lots of people of being part of a crime syndicate that probably exists only in your dreams, delete the offending material you posted against people who i don’t even know.
If you do that, stop twittering like a fool, stop all this conspiracy bullshit, on my side i will publicly apologize for calling you names and, even though i have no power on what other netizens do, i’ll try to contact a few of them that are probably easy to get in touch with through their blogs asking them to do the same “content removal”. But i can’t say that they will grant my request because we don’t even know each other.”

You are at such a disadvantage with your anonymity.
How you expect any degree of trust to be forthcoming, when I have absolutely no idea who you are?

You see, your words are in denial of your activity. You say you have no particular commitment – when patently you have – you have expectations as well.
Am I to trust that your motivation is altruistic and beneficent?
Because that is the most you hope for in your predicament of anonymity.

Am I to trust, amidst all the incessant and determined activity of the previous two years, that Briscolone is the exception?

Am I to believe that your revealed requirement – which coincides perfectly with the whole aim of this orchestrated campaign – has no particular connection to it?
Am I to believe that you require me to remove my writings simply to please you, when you could quite simply avoid them by not visiting, by non-involvement?

All for the “carrot” of an apology from you -an anonymous entity on the Internet?

Unlike most – my sole intention, my sole motivation is to discover the truth.
I am beyond caring about people’s perception of me – the name-calling – the innuendo – the false accusation.
It is hollow and carries no real sting.
I will not be palmed off with platitudes – I will not be intimidated by bullies – and I will not be satisfied with half-truths and transparently feeble excuses.

Apologies will come – only when deserved.
I am always prepared to apologise.

Have you suddenly assumed the role of negotiator-in-chief?
Your requirements and the tone of most of your writing here – is focused around people’s perception – it concentrates mainly on the publicity aspect – showing where your commitment does lie.
On perception – not on discovering the truth through impartiality.
It is perception that is the threat, it is the publicity that is the impediment.
After all – that is all you know about.
The whole psychology of the campaign is to bend perception – assisted by a severe distortion of an already documented story.

Where is the need for anybody to loudly oppose?
It is full of ambiguity – where is the danger?
It is full of speculation – where is the absolute accusation?

It could have quite simply been defused by the truth – before it was even made public.
It could have been neutralised by a cooperative understanding – by communication – intent on cutting a clear & direct path to that truth.
Where is the need for recrimination, for blame – if it was all a simple misunderstanding?

My only focus was getting to that truth – because behind that truth was the true image of the girl I loved.
My love would not have stopped – simply I would bring more understanding to it.

Considering all the time that has passed, all the energy spent, all the words written, all the anger and hatred – and still that cooperation has not manifest – something decidedly strange has been going on.

ellumbra

“In your case you clearly showed from the start a different form of paranoia, because you left your country with the “i’ll be scammed” idea rocking and rolling in your mind and you adapted lots of events to fit your jigsaw of scam and corruption.”

Your impenetrable insistence and constant focus on this point proves undoubtedly that it is key to your psychological approach.

You are trying to make out that I exaggerated the possibility of being scammed in my own mind.

If that were the case, I would not have taken the trip.
Scamming is a very real possibility – the reality of which you seem to be in denial of – most particularly in the country of my destination.
In fact – I had not discovered the full prevalence of it at all before I started reading about it during my search for clues.
Nevertheless – apart from being completely naive and stupid – a degree of caution is going to be lurking at the back of the mind, especially in the circumstances of meeting a virtual stranger from a dating site.

It is very easy to disguise an ulterior motive underneath the cloak of romance.
It was made easier still by the natural charm, beauty and warmth of the Filipina I met.
It was made easier still because of the completely relaxed atmosphere & closeness when we were together.
None of which would have been as simple had I a shell of resistance around me – caused by the paranoia you are insisting on.
Had my paranoia been as hair-trigger as you suspect – surely those suspicions would have immediately sounded the alarm – for instance, when the girl gently dismissed my query about using contraception?

It is only in hindsight – the power of memory – the honesty with which I apply this hindsight – which has increased the causes for suspicion – all focusing on that key situation of “hospitalisation.”
That was the pivotal moment – when everything assumed an ambiguous perspective – and everything about the relationship required a new clarity and confirmation of intent.

ellumbra

“When you were back and the blogging saga started your paranoia increased to the point of including an army of people to your supposed scam attempt, creating an organized crime syndicate where there could have been just a bad luck case.”

Wrong – the possibility of organisation was transparently obvious – by the variety of people originally involved.
Enough to cause this speculation – and that is all it was.
Many might have simple been conscripted to provide covering evidence.
However, that is still an interpretation of the word “organised” – people willing to do favours for a perceived common cause.

The organisation of the bloggers is self-apparent and also is self-admitted.
The strong possibility of an initial link between them and the original circle still remains.

I have admitted to being naive at times as to the degree of organisation I imagined at times – but this is supported by a solidarity of method – and coincides with the aim of the original idea behind the propaganda campaign – to obliterate my story – with an artificially generated tzunami of opposition – by presenting a totally distorted version of what actually happened.

ellumbra

“My bias is the son of your attitude and behaviour; you get what you deserve here. Were you less arrogant and ready to cry conspiracy, were you more open to criticism and able to accept that there is and there will always be who doesn’t believe you, you wouldn’t have got into this deep puddle of webshit.”

Pretending to be devil’s advocate are we?
I am ready to discuss with anyone who can demonstrate impartiality.
You fell at the first fence, Briscolone – as did most of the “also rans.”

ellumbra

“and of course you made no friends there; otherwise you’d have been assisted in all the trouble that came later”

Nonsense – the people involved in this saga were the people I met, they were my “friends” – encouraging me to set up websites for their business in the UK.
Ha!
What friendship?
It wasn’t strong enough to survive this was it?
It wasn’t sincere enough to actually make any effort to help me was it?
Just like all the vast majority of other Filipinos who have jumped on this band-wagon of contempt – there are very few indeed who will put a foreigner before someone of their own nationality – while simultaneously denying any such bias.

Don’t make me laugh even louder!

ellumbra

“1-You can’t decide how other people in another country deal with their problems, you can’t pretend that a foreign hospital’s staff jumps when you push a button when they owe absolutely nothing to you. They can be astonishingly rough to their own people so don’t be surprised if they don’t give a damn about you and your claims.”

I can expect the urgency of the situation to fully comprehended by all those allegedly there to help.
I can understand the translation of my requests, by these people, as a priority – for the sake of the relationship and for the sake of countering my justified suspicions.
I cannot understand why – when none of the above happened – I was not immediately informed of the reasons, and alternatives suggested.
I was faced instead with what appeared to be a blank refusal to cooperate, combined with emotional hyperbole.
Given that the whole situation at the time was already being approached with a degree of caution on my behalf – for obvious reasons – this behaviour set the seal on what followed.

“2-You are sure that you are right but that doesn’t imply that everybody else sees evidence in your suspicion.”

I can fully understand that – but it is my right to insist that a situation is seen as thoroughly and with an equally serious disposition as I applied to it – which is too much to expect from any outsider – especially those considering themselves already as “insiders” – because of nationality and an aptitude for contempt.

“3-If you know anything about the internet and its social aspects you are well aware that i can throw shit at you for years and i will be an annoying thug but you have been annoying a consistent number of people, earning a much worse degree in trolling and harassing. Remember that one single murder gets a smaller punishment than a mass murder or a genocide.”

The simple reason is this – a consistent number of people – in a concerted effort against one solitary person – is bullying.
I will not be subdued by bullying.

“4-After behaving like an arrogant paranoidiot with all the critics and the skeptics, you can’t get away with it just talking about taking sides and intimidation. I have tried to look at your story from your perspective and with the advantage of having a much better knowledge of the Philippines country and people than yours but you haven’t convinced me at all.”

You believe you.
Then you haven’t tried hard enough.

ellumbra

Replying to the first of your last couple of posts:
Teaching somebody to triple-check a website before using his credit card or giving away his personal data, teaching somebody not to trust emails from nigerian lawyers, teaching somebody to do some kind of research on things related to the web activities is teaching some kind of paranoia that is very useful to avoid some problems. And it is good to be aware of those things.
In your case you clearly showed from the start a different form of paranoia, because you left your country with the “i’ll be scammed” idea rocking and rolling in your mind and you adapted lots of events to fit your jigsaw of scam and corruption.
When you were back and the blogging saga started your paranoia increased to the point of including an army of people to your supposed scam attempt, creating an organized crime syndicate where there could have been just a bad luck case.

1-You can’t decide how other people in another country deal with their problems, you can’t pretend that a foreign hospital’s staff jumps when you push a button when they owe absolutely nothing to you. They can be astonishingly rough to their own people so don’t be surprised if they don’t give a damn about you and your claims.

2-You are sure that you are right but that doesn’t imply that everybody else sees evidence in your suspicion.

3-If you know anything about the internet and its social aspects you are well aware that i can throw shit at you for years and i will be an annoying thug but you have been annoying a consistent number of people, earning a much worse degree in trolling and harassing. Remember that one single murder gets a smaller punishment than a mass murder or a genocide.

4-After behaving like an arrogant paranoidiot with all the critics and the skeptics, you can’t get away with it just talking about taking sides and intimidation. I have tried to look at your story from your perspective and with the advantage of having a much better knowledge of the Philippines country and people than yours but you haven’t convinced me at all.

My bias is the son of your attitude and behaviour; you get what you deserve here. Were you less arrogant and ready to cry conspiracy, were you more open to criticism and able to accept that there is and there will always be who doesn’t believe you, you wouldn’t have got into this deep puddle of webshit.

I don’t have a particular commitment and i ain’t obsessed, thanx all the gods for that; my only requirement is that you publicly apologize for your stupid behaviour, spamming, accusing lots of people of being part of a crime syndicate that probably exists only in your dreams, delete the offending material you posted against people who i don’t even know.
If you do that, stop twittering like a fool, stop all this conspiracy bullshit, on my side i will publicly apologize for calling you names and, even though i have no power on what other netizens do, i’ll try to contact a few of them that are probably easy to get in touch with through their blogs asking them to do the same “content removal”. But i can’t say that they will grant my request because we don’t even know each other.

What do i think is the best way forward from here? What i said above, then you can go on doing your job of warning people against the scam risk in dragonladies. That is, in my humble opinion, absolutely acceptable even though i don’t practice scambaiting.

Now reply to the second of your last couple of posts:
You should really go to spend some time with some Pinoy people in their country to understand that you can’t generalize them the way lots of articles (like the one you copyandpasted) do.
I know about those aspects like the brown skin complex, the crab mentality, the defensive behaviour and the need to identify with some kind of hero but i can say, and no way you can contradict me on this subject, that if you ever make some friends even in a thugs infested squatter area in Metro Manila where you can be knifed for a wristwatch or cellphone, if you have an open conversation with them without telling them bullshit about how good west is and how desperately their country sucks, if you can drink a few beers and have a laugh with them without always complaining about something (as the kanos usually do) then there will be somebody who will stand up with his fists or a knife or whatever it takes to protect you from every kind of harm.
There will be a bunch of people grabbing you and pulling you away if you are going in some place that is really too dangerous for you.
There will be somebody who will risk to be arrested shouting in a policeman’s face because you are caught in some stupid situation.
But you are a guest there and you are the first one who HAS TO be humble and friendly to them. A foreigner can be deported and banned forever from the Phils for open criticism against the government or institutions. You may dislike that but it’s THEIR country so you can stay in London and call your queen names but don’t do the same in Manila.
There are places in my country where you risk your life and probably nobody gives a fuck about you being knifed for your wallet, they won’t probably call an ambulance or the police to avoid being questioned about something. No doubt the same happens in some parts of the UK or any big city in the usa.
So i think i’d be happier to be in trouble in the Phils with some friends around than in London or Naples or Los Angeles.
From what i gathered reading your blog you probably went there with an excessive thinking about money and business and of course you made no friends there; otherwise you’d have been assisted in all the trouble that came later, you can believe me on this.

Briscolone

A pertinent quote which explains how a) The propaganda was so predictable. b) Support for the propaganda is so predictable.

Innate, defensive behaviour is of more importance than discovering the truth.

“The Philippines has had a long and tumultuous past, marked with colonialism and the endless search for true identity. Because the country spent so many years under colonial rule, the Filipinos were often left feeling like helpless victims. In fact, it is believed that one of the main reasons it seemed so easy for Spain to colonize the Philippines was because the Filipino people were awfully kind, forgiving, and subservient. It is because of this past that, until today, there remains a class hierarchy, as well as a struggle between the rich and the poor. As such, it is no surprise that among the many unique traits in Filipino culture is that of the “api” mentality, or, in English, the “victim” mentality.

The api mentality in Filipino culture is rooted in a strong sense of paranoia, or the undeniable feeling of inferiority. Perhaps it is only logical to blame the country’s past for this Filipino weakness, as it is still found in the psyche of many Filipinos today.

You might often hear the phrase “Parang ina-api ako,” which, in English, means, “I feel as though I’m being looked down upon,” or “I feel like I’m being treated like an insignificant person.” What this really means is that the api mentality makes Filipinos believe that they are being maltreated in whatever situation may be at hand, when in truth, it is merely their paranoia that is causing this belief. Another situation in which the api mentality may occur is when Filipinos grant the “pity” vote to other Filipinos. This means that there is a strong sense of empathy and sympathy for others, and that the person who is more of a “victim” is granted the favored vote, simply because he or she is suffering more.

Among the favorite pastimes of many Filipinos is watching television and engaging in the local shows that appear on it. Filipinos also enjoy reading Pinoy novels, which, in truth, share similar traits to those of the television series’. Within both the television series and the novel, one can find that the api mentality is a common theme that occurs, as it stirs much emotion, sympathy, and even attachment to certain characters who suffer as the victims of whatever the circumstance may be. In the teleserye, for instance, a common theme in a love story is the relationship between a wealthy character and a poor character. As their relationship grows, the poor character begins to feel as though he or she is being looked down upon by the family of the wealthy character.
The api mentality is certainly a trait of the Filipino people that many may view as a weakness. However, it is also of essence to recognize that the Filipino people take kindly to victims because it is an accompanying trait of the Filipino to be sensitive and sympathetic toward others’ circumstances.”

Quoted from -http://www.dailyrandomsites.com/examining-the-api-mentality-in-filipino-culture/

ellumbra

Well Mr Briscolone – it’s good to know that paranoia can be taught for online activities, maybe that accounts for the casual way that the word is used – in place of caution or common sense.
I can reassure readers that there are no mental problems – and I can so no connection between saving screenshots from the activity of an orchestrated group of bullies – and paranoia.
It is necessary to simply prove the bullying – or some might infer that it was all imagined.

Bully: “Persecute, oppress, physically or morally, by (threat of) superior force.”

Superior force represented in this case only by quantity and the strategic abilty to make poisoned propaganda immediately virulent – & contagious, it would seem.

“1-accusing people of wrongdoing.”

It is a counter-accusation – to counter the false accusations of my abhorrent morality, which came flying towards me for one simple reason.
Because I was insisting on some official proof – from the people whose responsibility it was to provide it.
Please remember that this happened some considerable time before I took the last resort of publishing the story online.
Had that all been dealt with in a civilised and satisfactory manner – then none of this would be visible at all.

“2-you can give no evidence that clearly shows you are telling the truth.”

Perhaps you have a point – perhaps not.
That would depend on what you consider evidence. It is more than convenient for your obstinate position to insist on the standards of the real world – forgetting that this is all relative to its unfolding on the Internet.
Within the context of its unfolding – I have more than enough evidence for suspicion.
Those suspicions are voiced in my story.
It is for the people concerned to come forward and defend their own honour.
It is also relevant to the voices of condemnation upon the Internet – because that is their sole access to the entire episode, but those very same voices are insisting that the matter of evidence be viewed – out of context.
Do not confuse the issues.
The recognition of causes for suspicion – proof absolute – and the requirements of propaganda.
I can see the distinction quite clearly – you cannot – or are pretending not to, for the support of your own argument.

“3-you have a way of “talking” on the web that qualifies you as a paranoid arrogant mr. knowitall spammer and really annoying loser.”

Tough – that is your opinion – to which you are entitled.
You have a way of talking that qualifies you as a thug – so what?

“4-you pretend that who doesn’t believe in your story HAS TO provide evidence that you’re wrong.”

No – but I would insist that they give serious and thoughtful consideration to all the implications and the causes of all my suspicions.
I would insist that they see this episode from my perspective – rather than immediately take sides – simply as a knee-jerk reaction to their own innate biases.

You, Briscolone, are fearful of revealing the obvious causes for your own bias – that is why you wish to remain anonymous.
You have a bias above and beyond any pretences at being a normal human being.

Just look at the commitment, the obsession you have with this – been following (according to you) since way back – still can’t leave it alone.
For some reason, you have taken it personally, you have allowed a hatred to take root in you.

So – here’s a golden opportunity.
Say what it is you have to say – spell out your requirements.
Don’t mince your words.
What do you think is the best way forwards from here?

ellumbra

I don’t have a mission, i only have the same right you have to write what i think, in this “blog” and in any other website of which i can be a member.
I am exercising my right to write just for the sake of it, i won’t gain nor lose a penny and i have nothing to do with propaganda.
I just happened to read your novel long time ago, before you restricted access to it. Then, after some time, i read all the shit that you scattered in places like theworldoffilipinas and liveinthephilippines. It was really surprising to read the venom you spitted at people who only gave you honest replies and your childish way to deal with criticism.
From then on it was like a “crescendo” of idiocy, when you started accusing everybody of being part of the supposed scam it was some kind of paranoid-climax.
After this website was brought up i had a chance to read all your shit again, to check some things that were not perfectly clear in my memory; you know, i am required to teach people to be “paranoid” in their online activities, it’s part of my job, but when i’m at home or during the lunch break i don’t really save screenshots of everything as you seem to do, i don’t memorize like a poem whatever strange story i read and i don’t do forensics or investigations on matters that are not my business.
The one who is stuck between a rock and a hard place is you, trollumbra, because you are:
1-accusing people of wrongdoing.
2-you can give no evidence that clearly shows you are telling the truth.
3-you have a way of “talking” on the web that qualifies you as a paranoid arrogant mr. knowitall spammer and really annoying loser
4-you pretend that who doesn’t believe in your story HAS TO provide evidence that you’re wrong.

You ask me about details of my private life, i’m not going to tell you any of those. Why should i? To be exposed on one of your blogs as the nasty westerner who supports the eastern rackets? Naah, i can just tell you that i’m here just by chance, or coincidence if you prefer, i am not absolutely sure that Mayen’s scar was smudged, i have no evidence that mr. Jalbuena is anything different from a honest Pinoy businessman, i have no evidence that mrs. Dado is anything different from a middle-class Pinay blogger, eventually having her own links to mr. Jalbuena or Jepoy and his friends. You jigsawed everything into a crime syndicate of wich i can’t even smell the smoke and without smoke i don’t believe there’s a fire.
By the way, since you seem to paranoid-think i’m connected to Jepoy, i can tell you that i don’t know him personally, we’re not related in any way and he didn’t even reply to my “happy easter” message.
We use the same common language? I don’t know but you are aware that we are both translating from our mother tongues to english, so maybe that’s what we sound similar to you. Don’t expect to read The Perfect English from a foreigner; hell, northamericans mostly speak something that is harder to understand than my english after a dozen of gin-tonics!
Psychology expert is too much but i know a few things, and it is something that helps a lot to do my job better.
Predictable? Yes, probably. Because i am a normal human being and they tend to be predictable very often.
You differ, since you show some forms of unpredictable behaviour that could be due to a very bad anger management or a mental condition of bypolar depression with paranoia and an enormous ego mixed together to make the ellumbra cocktail.
By the way, i don’t remember any invitation from you, apart from your continuous asking me to evaluate your theories about perception.
Finally, i am not a Corleone or Capone mafia man; if i were a dangerous criminal with connections to the real crime syndicates i would have probably found a way to have you involved in some terrible accident, don’t you think? I am a honest and law abiding citizen, instead, and i will do nothing to harm you even though your attitude and behaviour would probably get you a kick in the balls from the Dalai Lama himself.
Enough for now. Before you post again, will you please find a nice doctor who takes care of your problems? Thank you. Have a troublesome night, filled with dreams of lynchmobs and bad guys with black moustaches from Sicily running after you with shotguns and hitting you with mandolins.

Briscolone

Your postings prove quite a lot, Briscolone.

a) That you are confident that all your visitors here are as dense as you must be, or you would not write such utter nonsense.
b) You are confident that many visitors here will be on the same mission as yourself – ably demonstrated by your latest non-contribution.

You see, you are caught between a rock and a hard place.
It is perfectly obvious that this whole propaganda campaign was initiated to provide a cover – to obscure and distract from the story which I have published.
It clearly serves no other purpose whatsoever.
Only the people concerned in hatching the idea are privy to that reason – and it must be kept a secret at all times.
Once the campaign was under way – with several severely distorted platforms available – it would attract further irresponsible & unsubstantiated comments, purely as a result of the severe distortion, a result of the way that the story has been presented in such an obviously twisted way.

All these additional people, completely unaware of the original purpose for what it is they are now appearing to support.
But not you, Briscolone.
No – you are fully informed – your comments prove it.

Who are you?
Some relative of Jepoy, in Italy?
You share exactly the same MO as Jepoy.
You use the same common language.
You have an identically short fuse.
You are equally easy to predict.
You even seem to share the same work skills and knowledge.

Are you one of his family members whom I wrote to – explaining how Jepoy was being such an idiot?
Are you as much of an idiot, to start supporting him, to lend your bigoted approval to his activity?
Do you share the same family links?

Or perhaps – you are some sort of psychology expert, employed by the mob?
Your psychology is suitably dull and defensive – without knowing more about you – that could certainly be possible – you show all the signs.

A really thick goon – trying to help mop up a mess.

Briscolone – Corleone – Capone.
One thing in common.

Maybe that’s why you haven’t responded to my invitation yet?

ellumbra

Go on behaving like a total paranoid moron, go on with your stupid attributions and go on posting after you said you wouldn’t.
You are being very helpful trollumbra, because you are the one showing what a paranoidiot stubborn arrogant sad old child you are with little effort on my side.
In the end it may seem a no-win situation but you are clearly the loser, for the aforementioned reason.
Thank you, trollumbra, for giving more and more proof that your attitude and behaviour, with or without scam, is the attitude and behaviour of somebody who should be banned from every available website or service.
If somebody moved a few steps in the Philippines you should be banned from physical entry in that country by now, so enjoy your sad pathetic life in the UK and stop vomiting your nonsense over the web. Your fault, gtfo.

Briscolone

Can you not see how hypocritical you are being?
You, who have just written a “non-answer” to my invitation?

Clumsily having side-stepped the original thrust of my comment about crime syndicates, you proceed to throw more leaves on the fire – creating more obscuring smoke.

The point that you side-stepped was this.

I am not talking about a hypothetical situation – I am talking about a real situation, in which there is a real possibility of a crime syndicate’s involvement.

It has yet to be uncovered – therefore it is clandestine – hidden.
If you as a “law-abiding citizen” can confidently deny all possibility – it strongly suggests that you have inside information – either through you investigative work or otherwise.
Investigative work does not include people’s opinions – because the same rule applies to them also – they are either party to what is going on in this particular situation, irrelevant of how they came to possess that information – or they are completely in the dark – with regard to this specific situation – and are therefore not in a position to be able to deny any possibility.

So – please don’t avoid my questions and invitations – tell us all that you know about this specific situation – that allows you to eliminate any possibility of a crime syndicate being involved.

You, no doubt, will follow your habitual pattern of dismissal – by suggesting that it is wild and paranoid imaginings – when you are not in a position to do so – being totally unconnected.

Your denial is completely hollow – unless of course you have some specific information.
That is the purpose of my invitation to you.

ellumbra

Ellumbra said:
“I do not consider it worth again addressing you, or indeed wasting another second of this precious life – lending you the slightest suspicion of honesty.”
Then ellumbra said:
“Rather defensive aren’t we Briscolone?”
Now who is being defensive?
I know, sad old paranoid spoiled children usually want to have the last word on every argument.
I’m not gonna list again my questions and objections, which were aimed at making you understand something that the world + dog understood already.
That is, you behave like a paranoidiot spammer arrogant knowitall and you can’t stand opinions which differ from yours.
You keep talking about distortion and bluff but you should go back to read this long discussion from the start, find all the questions and objections, read your non-answers and then go offline for a hundred years.

Briscolone

PS – you haven’t asked any questions yet that have gone unanswered.
So kindly desist from yet more false allegations – or you risk appearing just like someone who is trying to distort reality for effect.

If you are pretending to be incapable of understanding subtlety & concealed but obvious implications, then you are not doing yourself any favours – “any other reader” will soon detect that it is a deliberate bluff.

If you want to get questions answered, I suggest you ask them in a direct manner – surrounded by less fluff & nonsense.

ellumbra

Rather defensive aren’t we Briscolone?

I did not say a participant – I specifically said a party to it – meaning precisely what you have outlined.
That to make such a bold claim, you must therefore have specific knowledge of these matters.

It is an invitation for you to describe just exactly what your knowledge is of crime syndicates – so that you can correct the errors in my assumptions.

ellumbra

Since ellumbra says that he’s not gonna waste another second of his precious life with me, and it’s his right to do wtf he likes with his precious life, i’m just gonna say to any other reader that the paranoid sad spoiled child, even if he tries to argument a bit on his philosophical bullshit about perception and the bad boys being nasty on the web, he avoids answering to any question or objection; he only tries to push his story of a crime syndicate; he keeps accusing of bullying whoever doesn’t agree with him that “something [that] is invisible to the eye of a law-abiding citizen because it is hidden – then it can neither be confirmed nor denied” actually exists.
Having a long, long background on the internet because of my job, having been online since when the internet was more a privilege of few academics than an instrument available to the public, i will produce my verbal certification stating, after a thorough evaluation, that mister ellumbra is, indeed, an internet TROLL.
Good riddance, ellumbrino, and sweet nightmares of organized crime, mafia killers and crime syndicates knocking at your door in the middle of the night.
p.s., last ellumbra bullshit: “If crime syndicates operate – then they exist.
If you know how they operate – you must be party to it – because it is clandestine.” SO anybody with a background of studies on that matter, any judge, any investigator or inquirer or detective MUST be party to the criminal activities they know because of their jobs or interests?
What a moron.

Briscolone

Just one final parting comment – to demonstrate to you how patently illogical your arguments have been.

You, Briscolone, and many others – have consistently been in denial of the possibility of any form of crime syndicate running a scam like this.

How can anything be denied as a possibility, when the thing that is being denied operates beneath the law and secretively?
If something is invisible to the eye of a law-abiding citizen because it is hidden – then it can neither be confirmed nor denied.

It’s a straw man argument in reverse.

You all deny this on the strength of what?
That you do know exactly how crime syndicates operate?

If crime syndicates operate – then they exist.
If you know how they operate – you must be party to it – because it is clandestine.

But if you do not know how they operate – then you cannot deny a possibility.

It is a totally a self-defeating statement.
Just one – which illustrates the general trend of your argument.

ellumbra

“Moreover there are other examples about your behaviour online and they come from places where the scam was never mentioned”

Proof absolute, if any more proof were needed, that you are most certainly up to your neck in the propaganda machine.

You cannot deny it now, Briscolone, after that remark.

Yes – much excavation has been done by these people, desperate to turn up anything negative about myself.
All they could find were a couple of comments, which when quoted here – entirely out of context – do the job for them.

Were anyone to examine the context, thoroughly, they would see quite clearly what was going on.
They would see quite clearly that my behaviour was more than exemplary and required by the circumstances.

Another occasion of Internet Bullying.

Being hounded by lynch-mobs – who consider their little corner of Internet real estate – their own little kingdom.

No – Briscolone – perception goes way beyond the physical senses.
It includes the intellect, intuition and common sense as well.
It includes a resonance with the norms of human behaviour.

Your arguments are pathetically & criminally inadequate.

Deliberately or unwittingly – anyone adding their weight to this campaign – are most emphatically benefiting the scammers.

If they have not got the wits to discover for themselves – nor the genuine impartiality to see straight through the diaphanous dialogues, and feeble logic – so biased that they are forever rolling away, out of the reach of sanity – then they are already beyond redemption.

You have proven yourself to be so obtuse, so dense – that I can see now that you are not the reflection of anyone real.

You are so obstinately switched-off to reason, so self-satisfied in your determined distortions – so terminally truncated in genuine, human instinct – that it is plain to see your fakeness, your total artificiality, your mechanical numbness – the sinister vacancy in place of your morality.

From now on, Briscolone, your name is synonymous with subterfuge, of the empty vessel that makes the most noise.
Of the slippery slope to decay that a soul may slide down.

I do not consider it worth again addressing you, or indeed wasting another second of this precious life – lending you the slightest suspicion of honesty.

ellumbra

Oh, well, i agree with you that there is supposed to be one, and only one real truth that can’t be changed or faked but, since you spent words talking about perception you will agree with me when i say that one’s perception is based on what stimulates his/her senses. If i blindfold you and i put cheese under your nose, i will have a hard time trying to convince you that you’re smelling a piece of chocolate.
So, going back to your blogs, there are people who thought very bad things about you after reading your own work. You can’t blame them for using their own perception.
I am not going to do an extensive research and lots of copy and paste, since i have nothing to gain and i am going to sleep in a minute but it’s written on the web and you can’t deny that you have always been ready to call names at everybody who didn’t buy your scam theory.
Sure, you haven’t put in writing that the reader has to believe everything you wrote but, here we are again, your behaviour is what condemned you already, in lots of people’s perception, as the one who’s trying to cover his wrongdoing.
Moreover there are other examples about your behaviour online and they come from places where the scam was never mentioned; it’s easy for somebody who has enough patience to go following links and reading the linked discussion to have a perception of you as a spammer, a stubborn and childish internet user and somebody whose main goal is to impose his own perception of stuff.
So, if you can understand these things you can understand why lots of people are not actually joining a campaign of defamation against you but just expressing their own dislike of you because of your behaviour.
Unfortunately i don’t expect your behaviour to change in a considerable way because from the start of this “conversation” you kept your usual way of answering to a question or objection with something that is definitely not an answer.

Briscolone

So – if we are honest, we must concede that very few people have direct and intimate knowledge of that truth. None whatsoever who are circulating on this merry-go-round of perception & counter-perception.

Only those who have that knowledge are capable of communicating it, or conversely, capable of concealing it.

Here we must apply ruthless honesty.

It is not my truth – or your truth.
Nobody can own a monopoly of that truth.

To demonstrate a concern that is purely intent on discovering that truth, the pitfalls of perception and perspective must be avoided and not encouraged.

A willingness to oblige an earnest seeker of that truth, convincingly & privately – by those few people in certain possession of it – is a remarkably simple & appealing alternative to launching a campaign, with the sole intent of hoodwinking perception.

In fact it is such an appealing alternative that a reluctance to adopt it initially – would suggest that it presented a major hurdle – an unsurmountable difficulty.

Such an embarrassing difficulty would understandably be concealed behind an attempt to lure perception away from the cause of that embarrassment.

Such an attempt would undoubtedly reveal all the classic signs of defensive behaviour usually associated with embarrassment.

The most extreme and obvious being reclusion & silence – behind a fake facade – the invisible scapegoat of other people’s conscripted effort & mock concern – busily pointing their hypocritcal & accusative fingers at the distractive straw men of their own creation.

Now – tell me that is just a perception – and that it has no resonance with the truth.

ellumbra

I am happy to note that you, at least, understand the concept of truth, Briscolone.
I am heartened that you can acknowledge that “truth” is not just an abstract, but a reality.
A reality that occurrs historically, but remains unchanged – and is the truth for all time.

It is independent of perspective – independent of how people can be trained to perceive.
It is written in the book of time – by those holding the pen.
It cannot be re-written by any living soul.

I was one of those – holding the pen.

Acutely aware that my understanding was merely a perspective – a perspective created by prior conditioning – I endeavoured to peer through the mists of perception, to gaze directly at that truth.

My conclusion is that it is not possible to understand, outside of a perspective.
The very act of looking implies a fixed viewpoint.
In other words – we see exactly what we look for – we translate through the filters of our own perception – our understanding is no more than the consequence of that – it is piecemeal at the very best.
At worst – it is hopelessly flawed.

ellumbra

I feel that you are rather presuming this “expectation to believe” of which you write.

I don’t think that you will find any additional clauses in my story that state “This story must be believed – by everyone who reads it.”

The particular flavour of the story is ambiguity & dilemma – because those things, above anything else, are the predominant legacy of all the events since August 2007.

For simplicity’s sake – we may consider that there are two simultaneous but opposing threads running throughout – 1) That Mayen’s story was true. 2) That Mayen’s story was fabricated.

The first of those threads needs no elaboration at all – it requires no understanding whatsoever to absorb how it could have been true.
It is self-explanatory and is fully expressed in one or two sentences.

The second and opposing thread, however, requires that a detailed explanation be supplied – for the suspicions that bring it into existence – in order to give reason for why it could have been true.

That is the nature of the ambiguity, the dilemma – and thus – the story.
Which is why there is no written insistence for anything to be believed.

However – it is apparent that some readers are easily toppled from their position of poise & balance in ambivalence.
They cannot enjoy the frisson of tension that ambiguity provides – and opt for the security of creating an assured conclusion for themselves.

It was an implicit condition of the first thread that it be believed – and so – to keep the ambiguity perfectly balanced – the reader must apply the same condition to the second.
I have included some subtle reminders.

Some readers have resisted my beneficent attempts at reuniting them with the delights of ambiguity – of struggling with dilemma.

This resistance, quite surprisingly, has resulted in a copious volume of material being published – complaining of that charitable act – by readers who had settled themselves comfortably in the luxury of their decision.

I urge them to give it another read – you can’t beat a good dilemma.

ellumbra

Of course we are on the same level of authority; we are both talking about something on a blog or whatever you like to call this place and neither of us can proof or show beyond any doubt that he is telling the truth.
If i ever put in writing what happened to me long time ago you would be fully entitled to disagree or put the blame on me or think that i am telling fairy tales.
Of course i am suggesting that as far as i know, and as far as many other readers know, your entire story is probably a short novel written with a layer of fantasy applied over the log of a love journey gone terribly bad. You are still pretending that everybody takes your word for sacred but there is and there will always be somebody who doesn’t believe to you.
We probably give different meanings to the word “messenger” so no agreement here.
I am not saying that we’re in courtroom but nonetheless you behave like a plaintiff and lawyer of himself who is fighting a lost cause trying to get a foreign company convicted for crimes that you cannot prove.
Let me remark the fact that if i don’t believe in your “real estate scamming westerners baiting them with love” theory, that doesn’t exactly mean i favour scammers.
Finally, where you say “Unprepared or ill-equipped to discover for themselves” you mean absolutely nothing because you seem to be the only one who is prepared or equipped, so either you are expecting others to have extra-sensorial-perception (or time and money for a real investigation abroad) to find out the truth or you are expecting others to blindly believe to your words and here we are again.

Briscolone

No Briscolone, we are not “on the same level of authority while discussing stuff on the web.”

1) The Philippines unfortunately has a developing reputation for scams, and those involving payment of hospital fees. If your incident occurred around a location that has no such reputation, then your naivety, your lack of caution in that situation is more understandable.
Perhaps you too would be more cautious a second time around, were it to happen again.
My caution arose partly from observing an already established reputation.
2) I have no reference to verify that this event actually happened to you. It could even be a fantasy, conjured up to illustrate the point you are making.
Or are you suggesting that my entire story is a fantasy also?

To answer your questions.

What a neat little world it would be if we were to all restrict ourselves to single categories – to isolate and compartmentalise our different functions?
Ye,t how tediously monochrome that would be.
Fortunately, life is not at all like that.
We are multi-faceted human beings, capable of being anything we choose.

1) So I will vigorously disagree about my eligibility as messenger – for one thing, there is nobody else who could possibly fulfill that function – to warn others of such a possibile eventuality occurring to them.

Secondly – the likening of the Internet to a civilised courtroom is already revealed to be seriously flawed, by the appearance of lynch-mobs and kangaroo courts.

2) I will concede that at times I have succumbed to over-heating, I have made mistakes, I have stooped to the level of those engaged in the attack.

3) If the importance of terminology employed is elevated above the serious nature of the subject matter, then I suppose that some will allow their focus to shift.
It has been apparent that the behaviour of many people involved in this attack is only of benefit to those whose reputation is at stake – thus, they will appear to be in support of those same parties.

The words “supporters of scammers” should have been used, many times in referrence to these people, & not the words “scammers” or “scammer’s accomplice” – although such a fine distinction is purely nominal & superficial.

Anyone not directly involved in producing the seed postings – with which to attract the flies, lured in by the smell of contempt – are, unwittingly contributing to their cause – the initial motivation – of helping to bury the original story.
By lending their comments, although entirely unsubstantiated and delivered in response to a distorted representation of that story – they are helping to build an illusion of consensus.
Unprepared or ill-equipped to discover for themselves, or already incited to a feeding frenzy by the diet of contempt on offer – these commentators are oblivious, for the most part, of the consequences or the implications of their actions.

It is such a remarkably clever scheme – tapping contempt – and could only succeed in an environment where free-flowing hostility and criticism are second nature.

Hope you get a good nights sleep. Buona notte.

ellumbra

You are conveniently confusing the elements in your continued and solitary aim of character assassination.

You are reacting, in tandem with and in support of a propaganda campaign.
You are employing exactly the same tactics of defamation and you display precisely the same mind-set as the main collaborators, contributors and initiatators of that campaign.

The campagin was designed to counter one thing.
It was created solely to counter the publicity of an incriminating story.

However, the reasons why the story was eventually published were not arrived at in immediate connection with the events surrounding Mayen’s “hospital confinement.”
They were arrived at after a period of continued attempts employing subterfuge, proven lies, further attempts at extortion and the revelation of what appears to be a fake scar.

That is the prelude to the publishing of the story – not the initial events themselves.

The initial events themselves were surrounded with uncertainty and doubt – they were thoroughly ambiguous and were the cause of the great dilemma.

To make the leap of referring to those original events – to condemn the publicity of the whole story, which includes the reasons why it was eventually published – is blatantly a trick of deception.
An example of a straw-man argument – that you build for yourselves – and then set about attacking – for effect.

It is an effect which succeeds on the dull minded.
It is an effect which can easily satisfy an appetite of bias.
It is an effect adopted & accepted readily by those pretending a moral compunction for an ulterior motive.

ellumbra

No long post tonight because i’m very tired but i can tell you that i have been through a “scam attempt” which i won’t ever post online. It involved a woman and a hospital too, but not the Philippines. That’s why i say i know myself and my past and i say what i’d have done, were i walking in your shoes.
You only have my word and i only have your word, so we should be on the same level of “authority” while discussing stuff on the web.
Now will you please answer to a few more questions?
1-Can you understand that you are not elegible to the status of messenger, being one of the parts involved in the story you posted?
2-Can you understand that you (remember, you are not a messenger but a plaintiff) are being attacked because of the way you state your case?
3-Can you understand that your way of calling scammer or scammer’s accomplice whoever doesn’t believe to your words is what attracts criticism and hostility better than a magnet does to iron dust?

Briscolone

In answer to your question about the video – yes – I have the original resolution video.
The reason that I used my webcam to re-record the section which I then looped was to deliberately lower the resolution.

Nobody has seen the appearance of the scar that I was shown – I expect that not even Mayen herself has seen how it appears.

1) To prevent future versions of scars and/or photographs being created, based upon the original and used as “evidence” – I was making it a little more difficult.
2) The complete, original version of the recording is extremely intimate in nature – & as a small token of respect to Mayen’s privacy – that version will never be aired online.

I only have your word that your goal is not for propaganda.
You are however fulfilling the anticipated reaction to the way that the story has been presented in an orchestrated propaganda campaign.

The initial idea for the SEO campaign was all that was necessary.
To use your language – flies are attracted.

Nobody – except the people responsible for originally hatching the SEO idea will be privy to the motive.
It is too sensitive.
It would reveal a direct connection between the small inner circle of those involved in the scam – and the outer circle of people involved in the propaganda.

If it were seen transparently that the parties incriminated in the scam attempt were incapable of proving their own innocence by any other more obvious, direct and legitimate means – thereby resorting to a campaign of denial, defamation and false accusation – ie. attacking the messenger – not dealing with the content of the message – it would be tantamount to confirming their complicity.

The story – most especially in the manner in which it has been distorted for the purpose of this campaign – is eminently suitable to provide a covering disguise of cosmetic “false moral outrage.”
Or, to use Noemi’s own excuse – “to provide a balance in the search engines.”

The true motive is a secret held only by those people whose idea it was to launch the campaign,
It will not be shared – it does not need to be shared.
The story is twisted and presented in such a way – that support is attracted – its viral nature is inbuilt – hastened by the gross exaggeration and distortion.
It has been reshaped, engineered – to appeal to a chicka-chicka, scandal-loving audience – bubbling with a latent contempt for foreigners.

The secret is safe.

It is highly unlikely that such an organised & explosive rash of publicity – centering around, and naming a business concern – would ever be attempted without some sort of authority or go ahead being given from the business concern itself.

The liason resulting in that authority – will be kept a secret – and will be consistently denied.

ellumbra

See, ellumbra, i don’t deny your right to decide wtf you want to do with your life because it’s your life and i won’t put a gun in your head telling you what to do.
Your problem is that you made part of your life public on the internet and now you have to face the fact that people will comment it. That’s what i’m doing, without any propagandistic goal because i am not part of any group or crew or wtf your suspicious mind creates.
No, i’ve never had unprotected sex with somebody i met on the internet and i have known for a handful of days.
No, i’ve never had to deal with a supposed ectopic pregnancy with the supposedly pregnant woman 6000 miles away.
Yes, i have an understanding of how would i react based on a good knowledge of myself and my past.
So i think i’m entitled to say that, were i the one receiving that news, i wouldn’t hesitate to fly and go to check what was going on.
Having suspicions about a possible scam i’d have taken some precautions to minimize the risk of being robbed or something but i wouldn’t have closed myself in my house not answering to the phone.
If i did what you did i wouldn’t be able to see my face in the mirror again without being disgusted by the look of it.
Now go on talking about my feet if you like but i haven’t shot anything to them while you are the one who keeps refusing a simple concept:
you put your shit in a public place, so don’t go crazy if somebody complains about the stench.

Is it possible to know the reason why you claim to have a higher resolution video of the supposed smudging thing but you have (by your admission) posted small and blurred versions on the web?
I ask you because your behaviour, in this particular aspect of the stupid saga, clearly gives the impression that you have something to hide.
Again, if i were you, i wouldn’t hesitate a second to give everybody the chance to see the real video which, in your opinion, is a conclusive proof.

Briscolone

You see, Briscolone, where we differ – and where I will differ from everyone else – is that they – and you – will have no real moral compunction to determine the truth.

There is a world of difference between a purely cosmetic & assumed air of concern, pretended for the sake of propaganda supremacy – and the genuine concern of one who was personally involved.

Who is going to pay the most attention to detail?
Who is going to be more determined to get at the truth?
Who is going to be more in touch with the living pulse of events as they originally happened?
Who is connected to the ebb and flow of each, intricate part – 24 hours a day?

You have defeated any sincerity that you may elect to show by the activity that you are supporting – a self-confessed campaign of propaganda.

You have shot yourself in both feet again – before you even write one single word.

Unless you try really, really hard – that unfortunate situation will never change.

ellumbra

Briscolone – Have you ever been in a situation, remotely similar?

Yes or no?

If the answer is no – you can have no understanding of how you would react.

All your suggested advice, unless you are being a hypocrite, is pure hypothesis, it is no more than speculation – invented by you.

It displays your creativity – in portraying yourself as the opposite of a coward.
As someone who always makes the right decision at the right time.
As a person who is able to instantly judge another’s motive and core personality, having never met them.
Whose total store of wisdom is available as foresight.
Who can cut through severe dilemma with an instantly perfect decision.
Who presumes all other human beings to be equally supreme and therefore finds no need for caution in his life.

So – we can leave this matter entirely up to you.

Please go ahead and fill in all the minutiae for us – impart your sparkling truth.

Don’t spare the detail.

ellumbra

Briscolone – you are only stating what I have expressed, for all to see, in the story.

I have never disguised the dilemma of making that choice – which superficially appears to be the choice between love or fear.

It may also appear a mere convenience for you to emphasise the cowardice, and for me to emphasise the suspicion.
Convenient to both of our differing perspectives.

However, we are simply toying with perception – we cannot affect what already lies in history – unchanged and unchangeable.

But it is as ridiculous for me to expect your perspective to change now, as it is for you to expect my perspective to change then – and see things through different eyes.

In the initial shock and confusion of the time immediately surrounding the “news” from Mayen – and through my assessment of the risks involved to each of us – I made a decision.
A decision which had very little time to be made.

Despite many calls to Embassies and Foreign Offices, and despite their fully sympathetic views of those risks – the ultimate decision was down to myself.

The reason that logic was used in this decision should be perfectly obvious to anyone who understands how emotions are key to the success of any scam.

So – even though love and desire are still present and strong – they must be ignored.

The decision was made in accordance with the following logic.

If this is all about love, and Mayen is telling the truth – then it will all resolve quickly – I shall apologise for my suspicions, pay the hospital bill and fly out there ASAP.
Mayen is in the best place possible for her care – a hospital – my moral support is the least of her worries.
All of my cautious behaviour will hopefully be thoroughly understood and we shall proceed with our plans.
The risk is all mine – and is the risk of trashing the relationship.

If this is not about love – & Mayen is fabricating the story – my moral support is the least of her worries.
There is a strong risk of becoming embroiled in something undesirable, possible coercion.
There is the risk of wasting more time and money under false pretenses.

That was the dilemma – the double-edged sword of what that love represented.
It was either the honey in a trap – or the delicious nectar of genuine love.
I was to judge it wrong at my own peril – either way.

All the risks were mine.

Considering that – it was entirely my right to make that decision.

Considering also that the responsibility for the alleged pregnancy was a shared one – and considering that the burden of proof to demonstrate the truth of that pregnancy and any complications arising from it – resided 6,000 miles away – along with the original suggestion of that pregnancy – it was entirely my right to base my decision on an evaluation of proof.

It was also entirely my right to expect and require that proof.

If you presume that the world is full of idiots – then you are entitled to keep writing for them.

Ellumbra

To prevent your possible objection about Mayen risking her life, i want to clarify what i mean with that: surgery can sometimes go bad, even simple things like an appendectomy can bring the patient to death after the doctors thought everything was fixed. It’s just a thing that happens, seldom but happens.

Briscolone

Well, you waited for an official confirmation but you didn’t apparently give much thought about the possibility that Mayen was risking her life because of something that she did with you (and without a damned condom).
So you did not fly, did not send money and close all ways of contact while the scam theory was growing bigger and bigger in your mind.
You acted like a coward, in my opinion and many other people’s opinion.
You were so concerned for the possibility of being kidnapped or brought to an ATM with a knife under your chin, right? So in a few words you decided that your life was more valuable than the life of the girl who you pretended to be madly in love with only a few hours before.
Or maybe you want to recant, saying something like “after all, at that point i wasn’t so madly in love with her anymore”? Because if you really love somebody like crazy, just my opinion, you don’t give up on her just because something happens that brings you a suspicion of bad stuff going on.
Can you understand, after reading this, that there are many readers who side with Mayen and think that you were a coward when you abandoned her in a critical moment and closed yourself in your house thinking that the love of your life was just trying to get your thousand pounds?
Can you understand that there are many readers who think that your blogging about something that is a product of your mind without any evidence but jigsaw theories is another act of a coward who is just trying to cover his own wrongdoings?
Then, if there will ever be The Big Revelation, i and those other readers who think that you are a paranoid coward will be wrong and i would have no problem to apologize but so far there is nothing that makes me change my mind; on the contrary your stubborn construction of conspiracy jigsaw things makes me respect you less than the worst Filipino shabu-addicted cellphone thief.
In my opinion you should have boarded that flight, see with your own eyes the scar or the scam but no, you didn’t want to risk.
By the way, after checking in with your embassy/consulate as a brit in the Phils, you could have gone to the hospital unannounced so you’d have had a chance to go to the reception and ask “which room miss Betita?” If she were not there you’d have paid an airplane ticket to have the proof that you were being scammed.
How come your powerful investigative mind couldn’t think of something so fucking easy?

Briscolone

Please remember that none of us possess a crystal ball to look into the future.
At the time, I was always hopeful for an imminent resolution – that perhaps the next day something would appear to resolve the situation.

It was a matter of risk evaluation.
For Mayen – in either case – there was no risk.
It was purely a matter of financial settlement.
Her share of the emotional risk for the relationship depends on how she really felt, but her reaction would indicate that what she did feel was not love for love’s sake.

However, for myself, the risks were far greater.
Emotional risk, financial risk – and a possibility of encountering coercion.
A perspective that has never been appreciated.

I had already booked the flight, withdrawn the money.

I decided to hold my ground and simply wait for the official confirmation.

The rest is history.

ellumbra

It is all very well looking with hindsight – I accept what you say, but it is not at all positive or helpful now.
That moment has passed.
We have to deal with what we have now to work with.

ellumbra

” whatever would make the readers SEE that there was a scam attempt, that there was a criminal organization hiding behind a legitimate business,”

Yes . . . go on . . . such as what?
A signed confession?
A thorough investigation by the NBI?

Again, you are exaggerating for effect by insisting on the “organisation” tag.
Corroboration is all it takes – a willingness to help dig someone out of a hole.
That is not rocket science.

” that there is no scar on Mayen’s belly ”

I gave her the opportunity to reveal what was on her stomach.
What would you expect her to show?
That there was nothing there?
She had a lot of responsibility on her shoulders – reputations at stake – a chance of more money from the WU – all adequate motivation to fake it.
It is more than just a coincidence that the video of that moment reveals what it does.

Ellumbra

You wrote too many posts, ellumbra; fragmentation due to a need of flooding this board with your name or what?
My answer to your question is: whatever would make the readers SEE that there was a scam attempt, that there was a criminal organization hiding behind a legitimate business, that there is no scar on Mayen’s belly and all the other bad things you keep asserting.
Of course i know that you CAN’T provide us with such proof, so you CAN’T expect everybody to believe in a scam theory that only in your mind is true, unless a Big Revelation comes.
Remember that lots of people who read your blogs commented that you had a scam in your mind even before you started your secret trip to the Philippines? You went there thinking that you would have been scammed and your paranoia made you adapt all the events to the pattern that was set up in your mind already.
Regarding Joe Shit and johnshit.com it is clearly a typo: i don’t know of an editing feature on this blog’s comments but you know what it means: it means that somebody found your namesurname available as a domain name and here we are.
In my opinion the only wise thing to do would have been flying without hesitation to Manila, registering yourself to the database of the brits in the Philippines, inform the embassy or consulate of the place where you’d sleep and go see with your eyes what was going on with Mayen; you decided to believe your friend who told you you were being scammed instead, feeding your “i’llbescammed” attitude and here we are dealing with 30+ chapters of bullshit.
I am biased, you know that from the start, and i explained you the reason why. I’ll say it again, just to male a clear thing clearer: i and lots of other people are biased because we hate your paranoid arrogant stubborn behaviour and we don’t accept that you pretend that who disagrees with your wild fantasy is wrong, is dishonest, must shut up. Again, you are the one who put himself in a pit of shit.
Perverted intent? Not that i’m aware of.
When i decided to try a discussion with you i thought that i could get you to understand a few things but you can’t understand anything that doesn’t corroborate or validate your sad paranoia. My fault, i was probably presumptuous to believe that i’d succeed where lots of reasonable people failed before.
My choice would have been agains reason if i decided to buy your shitty novel and support the unsupportable ellumbra who is behaving like a moron online for years.
Reason doesn’t equal to believe in whatever comes out of ellumbra’s sick mind.

Briscolone

By constantly referring to my common sense & caution – perfectly justified in the circumstances – as “paranoidiotic” – you are staining yourself with a most damning bias and perverted intent.

Different perceptions of precisely the same behaviour.
You have made your choice – and obstinately refuse to yield.
But your choice is plainly against reason.

Ellumbra

@Briscolone – Please answer my previous question.

What sort of proof would you consider worthy of your acceptance?
What sort of proof would you expect to find in a case like this?

ellumbra

Mayen knew full well that she could get away with almost anything, that I would believe everything she said – because of my belief that the relationship was based on a true and mutual love.

Love was used as a disguise for greed and deception.
It is too malevolent to consider that a normal, loving individual – would suddenly stoop to adopting this tactic – no matter what the circumstances.

ellumbra

In some kind of perverted logic – Mayen’s excuse for the deception about her location -
“I wanted to know what it was like to lie” – was used in a desperate attempt to prove that everything else she had ever told me, was true, ignoring the honest truth – that this lie had emerged – in support of yet another attempt to get money based around a hospital confinement – this time – it was her mother – which incidentally was a lie also, her mother may well have had a stroke, but it wasn’t on this particular occasion.
The whole thing was a fabrication.

How do we know?

We’ve checked.

ellumbra

Quote from above – ” She admits (and even to Tim) that she lied about the internet cafe’s location ”

Was this admission volunteered, freely?
No.
It came after she was confronted with photographic evidence. that she could not possibly deny.
Otherwise – what would we still all be believing?
Her elaborate tales – spread over many weeks of communication – padded out, coloured in – all kept up with hardly a slip up.

Ellumbra

Quote from above – ” She did ask for money for her new boarding house rental and internet cafe bills because she took up his offer that whenever she needed help, she should just ask him. She needed financial help from Tim.”

No – she did not ask – she painted a picture and hinted, waiting for me to offer.
But – according to Mayen – this is asking.
This demonstrates her deliberately deceptive approach to gaining money.

Ellumbra

Quote from above – ” She was told to go back July 28. However, she experienced menstrual bleeding on the first week of August and thought she was not pregnant after all.”

Inaccurate information compared to the version I was told by Mayen.

Ellumbra

Quote from above – “Whenever I take a bath, I see the scar. I can prove it to anybody, everyone and also to Tim.”

But not to you right now Noemi, or any readers of this blog – so please don’t ask.

Ellumbra

Quote from above – “She [Mayen] has never brought any guy to meet her parents in her home province.”

Meaning what precisely?
Proving what precisely?

Mayen already admitted to me that she had sex with her previous boyfriend while at the barrio fiesta – in her province the previous year.
So – he was kept a secret was he?

Or was this statement only applicable to foreign guys?

Did the other guys get no further than Manila?

What’s it supposed to mean?
What’s it supposed to prove?

Why are these people so desperate to provide all the excuses under the sun as justification – but not provide anything further by way of tangible “evidence” – and constantly issuing meaningless rubbish by way of these excuses?

ellumbra

Yes – both Mayen and her colleague were daily trawling Date In Asia.
Her colleague spent a month with a frenchman shortly after I returned to the UK.
Mayen’s profile photograph had been digitally enhanced by the man who supervised IT for the real estate firm.
There were no qualms about taking the time from work for both my 1st or my planned 2nd visits.
There were no qualms about trawling the dating sites during the time these girls were at work.

There is a difference between Joe Shit & johnshit – what relevance is that to the name of this website – which uses my real name?

If you examine closely your reasons for why offence was taken – and are honest about them – is defensiveness one of them?
Is national pride another?
Is a fake macho pride another?

If so – you are not as “super partes” as you think.

Personal offence is a good disguise for a group of people to launch an orchestrated campaign to protect a business interest, don’t you think?

Please answer my previous question.

What sort of proof would you consider worthy of your acceptance?
What sort of proof would you expect to find in a case like this?

ellumbra

If i read something on the web that looks to me like a total asshole’s sick fantasy’s invention i may very well post it on my blog saying that in my opinion that shit is nonsense. Why shouldn’t i use my free right to criticize wtf i want?
If i am deeply offended about something that you do online involving the names “Queen Elizabeth” and “Fuckoff Incorporated” why shouldn’t i group with some friends to put our own stuff in google’s top results instead of what is deeply offending me?
If Joe Shit becomes a big annoyance for me and i can register a domain name like johnshit.com why shouldn’t i set up a website to tell the world that johnshit is a crazy liar?
You should take your head out of your anus and start learning that different people have different opinions and points of view; stop seeing spystories everywhere and finally realize that you built the castle of shit of which you are the paranoidiotic king.
If you talk about cruel campaign i can say that your blogging about a large scale conspiracy resulted in a cruel shit-throwing at a girl who might very well be innocent and unlucky first and her surroundings second.
Who wrote “they’re all in on it – hiding behind the Real Estate business – teams of girls – luring Westerners into parting with their money – small amounts by our standards – but multiply that by the amount of girls working for him and the amount of potential “clients” they can each have at any one time”? It wasn’t me, i am sure.

Briscolone

No – of course I am not that stupid or pretentiously pig-headed to believe that my word is sacred.
I just believe what I believe with a passion – and nothing has occurred to dramatically change my impression.

I do not say that everybody who disagrees is wrong – but when I can clearly see, through wrong interpretations or misunderstandings – that these same people have not involved themselves deeply enough – and have chosen to turn away when defensiveness or boredom calls – then I have every right to urge them to desist with their premature comments or to communicate with me personally about the events.
It is not the matter to be treated with flippancy in a public spectacle of locking antlers.
It is far too sensitive for that treatment.

I am not expecting anyone to “buy my stuff.”
I will be the first to agree that there are many wild speculations, but the story was made public, as a last resort – to instigate commentary, detailed analysis, reasoned and understanding from “super partes” fortunates.
The only contacts that I had previously were already inside the circle of suspicion – and every word that they wrote was impossible to trust.

The conclusion will always be, as things stand – one of ambiguity.
It is a story without an end – but with several possible conclusions.
But that should not prevent me from publishing the nature of that dilemma, from spreading the net to catch “The Grand Revelation” when or if it comes.

Nor does it prevent an anticipated degree of opposition to that publication.
Nor does it prevent me from interacting with that voice of opposition.
But the behaviour of that opposition itself has raised serious questions as to its origin.

May I ask you a question?
What sort of proof would you consider worthy of your acceptance?
What sort of proof would you expect to find in a case like this?

ellumbra

I stated “Without the pretty face – without the tears – there was nothing there”

Of course – there was another important ingredient.

Misplaced trust invested in the presumed authority & integrity of a “Celebrity blogger” – who circulates amongst the senators.
Who is heavily involved in real estate.
Who had already made her intentions quite clear, by publishing the story on her website – and simultaneously admitting that it was nonsense.
Who admitted to taking part in an SEO campaign to submerge the story.
Who later on – launches this very website – here.
Who has consistently kept herself out of reach of my questions – while at the same time continuing support for a wholly cruel campaign of distortion and false accusation.

That is the other ingredient.

ellumbra

But why are you right and everybody who disagrees is wrong? I’m not naive, i’m so lucky to be “super partes” and i can choose who to trust.
So far you gave me the impression that you are not worth any trust.
Why, ellumbra, why should anybody buy your stuff?
You keep non-answering with vaporous theories but you are not that stupid to believe that your word is sacred, are you?

Briscolone

erratum – “It was designed with exactly that intention.”

Why should anyone believe in your hypothetical 3rd person?
There is no need whatsoever to convince of the cruelness of the propaganda by inventing more nonsense.

Your other illustrations, analogies & comparisons are so inappropriate – that unfortunately they do not succeed.

They merely provide proof that for some reason you are desperate, and severely lacking in any justifiable or acceptable excuse for continuing this argument.

Are you the sort of naive bunny – to be fooled by tears?
Without the pretty face – without the tears – there was nothing there – only a repetition of what was already stated in the story – coloured in as to the detail – something Mayen had already proved excellent at doing.

It relied on the tears & pretty face to do the job – in combination with reception by a contempt which seems to be “on tap.”

Come on – Briscolone – come on?
Don’t make us laugh . . .

ellumbra

Of course that is going to be the reaction to the video interview.
It was designed with exactly intention – to portray Mayen as the innocent, hard-done-by Filipina – complete with tears.

Don’t be naive.

Without being seen in the context of everything else – of course that reaction will be elicited.

That has been precisely the trajectory of all the propaganda – why single that out for special mention?
That is exactly the effect that you all hoped to achieve – and it is very easy to do.

All that is required is to exaggerate, to mis-represent the events of the story – giving it the appearance of “sex-tourist meets innocent Filipina” – your work is done.

Deliberately denying the true context of events – even as they appear in the original story, is deceitful and malicious.

Yet you still pretend not to understand what is meant by distortion and deception.

You have just given a perfect example of it.

So – just who is it, in denial of their own behaviour?

ellumbra

But why do you expect somebody else to believe in the proof that only you can see? I just don’t understand.
I can start telling everybody that Jesus H. Christ is my cousin but who would believe me if i can give no proof?
I gave the link of Mayen’s interview to a Pinay who is a hardworking, honest woman and whose morals cannot be questioned, knowing her hard path from a puddle of mud to a decent life in a decent place – obtained through breaking her back with countless working hours. She said, after watching the whole 1 hour vid, that she believes in Mayen, that Mayen seems genuine and that you should be punished by divine justice for trying to destroy Mayen and other people’s lives.
Why believe in ellumbra’s hidden proof and not in Mayen’s tears? That’s what i’d like to know, why are you better or more trustworthy? If you don’t give me a reason, apart from meaningless speculation on the distortion of messages through the medium’s peculiarities, or jigsawzigzag i can’t help going on calling you a paranoidiot.
Come on, post the Revelation before the armageddon wipes us all out of this world!

Briscolone

I’ve also got more than enough chocolate – it’s just gone Easter – but thanks anyway for the thought.

ellumbra

Yes – I said it could have been planned.
Perhaps Mayen – encouraged by her brother, her sister?
However – few other people would have been involved – until it started to go wrong.
As you can see – the grand, organised scam scenario – is possibly a red-herring.
Perhaps an un-organised scam would be more appropriate – but other people became involved and added their corroboration.

I am not at all bothered by the copying, downloading – that is me pretending moral outrage.
I accept that it is par for the course on the Internet.

However – the purpose which accompanies the copying etc. is far more disturbing.
To see such manipulation and distortion being employed, such a twisted interpretation of the detail – for a spiteful and hateful motive.

But from the end of the tunnel I was at the time this all started I could not foresee the outcome.
I will admit to being naive about the Internet and all the ramifications.
The outcome was not thought through in my desperation.

You are correct – there is no more to investigate – other than words.
It is all contained in words – but some we choose to believe more than others.

The information that transmitted the details of the “hospital scenario” which we are all expected to believe – was no more than words.

Yes – it is all no more than words.
Words, however, which were perceived by some – as being a threat – requiring dilution, which is contrary to the notion insisted on by these same people – that the truth is plain to see – that the story is no more than delusional rubbish.

Words are a two-edged sword.
They are by design, ambiguous in their falsehood or their honesty.

It is impossible to see through them, alone – to see a truth.

So – as far as answering your question?
What question was that?

“What do I have as proof?”

Enough – thank you – I have more than enough.

ellumbra

As far as i know you are the one who is complaining:
you complain about people downloading and redistributing your blogs, while it’s in their right to do it. You just used the wrong license and now you can’t do anything about it.
You complain about a supposed scam attempt that was, in your paranoia, orchestrated by a bunch of professional scammers even before Mayen was hospitalized (you said: it could have been planned – even during the previous month of my visit.).
You complain about the response you get on the net when you are the one to blame because you are behaving like an arrogant asshole.
I am angered because, as said in my previous post, you keep ignoring my questions and go on showing your disturbing philosofical-paranoidiot-childish approach to something of which you have very limited knowledge.
So i can tell you that there is nothing to investigate but the words; your words and the “other part” words.
Since you don’t change your stupid way of deviating the discussion i stick to my feeling that you are not worth a stinky fart from the butts of the people that you are calling scammers.
If you find a way to show us (not just me, but all the people who think you’re a paranoidiotic moron) that you were right, that there was this grand scam attempt and that those actors were really involved, including mr. Jalbuena, mrs. Dado and all the others that i don’t feel like listing, i’ll apologize and i’ll ask your address to send you some chocolate. But you will have to give proof, not just shitty speculations about jigsaw and medium versus what the fuck.
If you no give proof, me no show camel, me no apologizza you, me no sends chocolates.

Briscolone

I do not give a damn for any amount of negative comments.
They are simply the bi-product of publicity – but they generally reveal a common denominator of flippancy, of disrespect – of a pretence at having some moral high ground to stand on.

None of them deal in any detailed way with the core of the matter – because they are incapable of doing that – because they are not made by the people involved.
Instead – they elect another matter to become the heart – a superficial concern with propaganda and publicity – and in the very same process, dramatically increase the outreach of that propaganda and publicity.

It has been a journey down a side turning – which started off as a small lane – now increased to motorway proportions – but it is not in the direction which will confront the real heart of the matter.

It is purely a distraction – the motive for which is transparently lurking behind the pretences at moral concern that are voiced.

It is all being done to defend the name of a business.
It has been hoisted, mechanically, deliberately and with one purpose only.
To distill the publicity which was incriminating a business concern.

A completely unnecessary move – a completely illogical move to make – if innocence is to be believed.
A simple & thorough demonstration of that innocence is all that is required – not a confusion, an obscuration, a distraction – which does nothing but increase the scope of the publicity that it was trying to obliterate.

A last resort – out of a tight corner.

Ellumbra

Try changing your attitude.
You appear to have started that change – why don’t you continue?
You are so easily angered.
Don’t take it personally, OK.
Just treat it all as purely a matter of investigation.
That’s all I am asking – all I have ever asked of anyone involved in this.

It need not have expanded out of the area limited to my original story – contained on four blogs.
There are numerous ways to get in touch with me privately – to continue discussion.
But no – they were all ignored for the sake of a public spectacle.

Publishing the story is one thing – but going to the lengths you have all gone to – is putting it entirely into a different context.
One which has only demonstrated a concern for supremacy of propaganda – not a concern for the truth.

That was not my decision – that was made by the people who turned the whole thing into a campaign of hatred.

You are the one who is doing the complaining – not me.

Ellumbra

You are really a sad, old, spoiled and arrogant child.
Now i know that you won’t answer to my questions because all you are doing is defecating some more of your famous verbal diarrhea trying to get more attention, of which you are clearly addicted.
I was very wrong when i thought that i could discuss with you; it is my fault but i did it because i just wanted to give you a chance to show me and the other readers a bit of reason, which you don’t have.
So you will go on forever talking about your bullshit of medium versus message and greater case of suspicion etcetera.
OK, ellumbrino, go back to your paranoidiot playground, go on twittering the world + dog about the bad people who wanted to make you a booboo. I have no more will to try get an answer from you because you are really showing that your behaviour is limited to the pedantic asshole mode and the haunted avenger mode only.
Keep in mind, however, since i believe that you can still read, that your fucking behaviour is the main reason why there are and there will always be lots of people who hate your guts and don’t believe in your paranoic conspiracy nightmare.
There is a reason for all the negative comments you get in lots of places, even forums which are not connected in any way with your stupid story of the great scam attempt: the reason is that you are the typical mega-ego who thinks he owns the truth and wants who disagrees to shut up.
I wish you will shut up soon, dear loser, or bring The Big Revelation so that i’ll beg your pardon officially.

Briscolone

You don’t get it, do you?
I am not at all disturbed – simply using the opportunity that you are enabling – for more publicity.

I can pretend emotions as well – I can pretend to complain – because when I do that – it increases your response – causing more publicity.
That is the sort of people you are.

Rather predictable I’m afraid.

You have taught me a great deal about behaviour on the Internet – you are correct – you are a good teacher – by example.

I know that this whole situation is dead in the water – and have done for a long, long time.

Any publicity leads back to the original story – and people are quite capable of working it out for themselves.

ellumbra

My “philosophical” conception of the Internet was an attempt to help put things in their correct perspective and context.
You are still referring to proof in absolute, real-world terms – you are not acknowledging the parameters of the Internet.

What I am saying is – within those limitations – what we have detected is still greater cause for suspicion than cause to believe that it was all true.

For example – let’s look at Mayen’s concept of love.

Here was an opportunity for her to demonstrate what that love was exactly.
I had done my part – made the commitment – visited the girl in her own land – now, perhaps, it was her turn.

An opportunity for that has arrived – perhaps by her own design.
Has she designed into that oportunity – her own appropriate response – or has that been overlooked?

If she was “in love” as she had insisted, in love for love’s sake, not for any ulterior motive – she would have been as totally absorbed and enthusiastic as I was about our relationship.

She would have been determined at any cost – to not risk it slipping away.
She would have ensured success in enabling & providing the official communication that was so crucial a requirement to the smooth running & to the future of that relationship.

She was perfectly capable, during the time of her “confinement” – to carry on with communications to her work colleagues and sent emails and many SMS messages to me.

If Mayen had been “in love” as she would have had us believe, those messages would not have relied exclusively on emotional manipulation.
They would have revealed her determination & eagerness to comply with the obvious request for official confirmation.
She would have insisted to all her “visitors” – her friends and colleagues – how critical and essential it was to get this done at the earliest opportunity.

All that was required would have been an urgent, thorough and confidential discussion of the matter with hospital staff – and they would have obliged the patient’s wishes.

That is a simple analysis, based on an understanding of how love affects normal people – how love motivates normal people to get things done to protect that love at all costs.

Love does not turn around and blame – it complies with mutually necessary conditions for its survival.

It is a team effort – a partnership.

Love does not twist the heart of her partner to ensure success – it provides reasons, it provides common sense answers to questions, and it succeeds at fulfilling critical requests for its own survival.

Love does not demand a blind faith, love cooperates.

Love does not stoop to clichéd hyperbole – it takes command of the situation – and succeeds in its own protection.

However – love in this case – and the way that this love was translated amongst her friends, family and colleagues – was only expressed in singularly financial terms.

That is what became the focus of this love – money.

Love in this case – was unable to find reason, it was completely devoid of logic, it did not command the situation with determination to succeed and protect itself.
It did not calm the waters – it agitated them – with emotional disturbance – unreasonably.

It was not love for love’s sake.
It was love for money’s sake.

A response appeared, perfectly in line with Mayen’s other behaviour – which has been throughout – detached, secretive and unemotional – apart from the obligatory physical closeness.
Perhaps excited at times – but excited about what?

I think the answer is clear.

Now – do you understand what amounts to proof?

It is not in the black and white.
It is in the spaces in between.
It lies in what is not fulfilled – not what is.
It is revealed by attitude and behaviour.

Here is a lie, a pretence – revealed by behaviour.
A disguise – underneath which is detected the true motivation.
Love – masking greed.

If the events were true – the response certainly was not.
We are not privy to the events – only the response.
The response indicated a determined effort to get money – disguised as an emotional reaction – but a reaction that was completely inappropriate to love.

We have discovered dishonesty at the very heart of the whole episode.
A motivation has been clearly demonstrated.

We have discovered a motivation that has been disguised throughout the whole episode – greed masquerading as love.

A greed which failed at the first attempt to increase the bounty dramatically from all its previous gains – which, when challenged, grew complicated and involved other names.

There is no smoke without fire.
The Internet being what it is, we cannot see the fire, only the smoke – but the colour of that smoke enables us to determine the nature of the fire.

Following that trail of smoke we find reasons to suspect that rather than being unplanned and opportunistic, the “hospital scenario” contains elements, revealing that it could have been planned – even during the previous month of my visit.

The trading of love for money, sometimes goes under another name.
A certain profession – with certain risks attached – the cost of which must be accepted when accidents arrive.

ellumbra

ellumbra, you are not answering to my questions again or, better, you answer with a non-answer which is your own philosophical conception of the internet. That’s not what i asked.
Keep in mind that you are the one who started to use the internet for your purpose when you started blogging about your sad story; now you can’t blame the internet and its users for giving you what you deserve because of your actions.
You don’t go playing soccer in a minefield and then complain if you lose a leg.
You don’t expose yourself on the internet and then complain if lots of people dislike you or worse.
So far you haven’t told me one good reason why your word should be more valuable to me than Mayen’s interview; don’t tell me any bullshit about mrs. Dado and mr. Jalbuena because i won’t ever believe in it unless you can clearly show me that they are both into something bad.
I won’t buy your suspicions and jigsaw things for a proof.
Let’s say that i start a blog accusing ellumbra of stealing my precious Yamaha DX7, which i really loved; then i start posting in each and every musicians blog about this supposed theft.
When peoiple start asking me for evidence i post a photo of a man with a bathrobe running with a synth under his arm and i say “that’s ellumbra the synthief!”.
People will start to tell me that i’m nuts because that photo is no proof and i start to be rude, call them thief’s accomplices and saying that they are all part of an instrument thieves syndicate.
In the meantime ellumbra starts blogging against me, stating that he’s innocent and i am a paranoid liar.
How does one choose a side, given that both parts give no proof or a useless proof that can be fabricated in a handful of minutes?
This is what you are refusing to understand from the start of this blogging and spamming saga: somebody won’t buy your version of the story because it lacks supporting evidence, somebody will be annoyed or mad at you because (you are clearly unable to understand this) your attitude is annoying. Whatever happened between you and Mayen, with or without an attempted scam should have been dealt with in a different manner; especially the part where you started accusing everybody who doesn’t believe in you or doesn’t agree with your conclusions was like digging your own grave. Why is it so hard for you to understand this?
Why are you accusing somebody of an attempted scam showing no acceptable proof and then you ask everybody to show an acceptable proof that your supposed scammers are innocent?
The only correct thing that you wrote is “We are still waiting . . .”.

Briscolone

“My sad, old, paranoid, selfish, spoiled child; you keep writing what you believe to be true as if it were The Revealed Truth but you are the one who has not even a single little bit of evidence to show!
Can you please explain what is wrong in the statement above?”

Yup.

I write what I believe at this point in time – with a passion.
I wrote what I believed in my story with a passion.
As time has passed – and people’s behaviour and attitudes have been revealed – that passion has grown to become a conviction.

On the Internet, in such circumstances as these – the term “evidence” is obviously relative to the context.
The context is the medium itself – where anything can be fabricated or disguised.
Where subterfuge can occur with people masking their true intent – much of which was suspected, even before the blogging campaign was even thought about.

Of course, in this same context – very little can be proved in an absolute sense – it is unlike real-life forensics.
However – much can be detected from behaviour, timing and attitude – & by reading between the lines.
Within the confined limits of the context – there can still be more or less cause for suspicion – there is still a ceiling and a floor.
There is still ample room for attempts at proving innocence – to counter those causes for suspicion.

For people with such advanced knowledge and experience of the ways of the Internet to not accept the boundaries & limitations of their own familiar territory and insist on evaluation based on the real world – is quite plainly not playing the game.
It is a given condition of the Internet that there are severe limitations to proof – but nevertheless, even within that restricted context – anomalies & indiscrepancies still require explanation.
Beyond a certain point – anomalies and indiscrepancies – if not treated with the respect due, and satisfactory & timely explanations provided – this will amount to justified causes for suspicion.

It would be dishonest to point accusative fingers, while disregarding the perspective forced by the context of the Internet itself.

In my story I have struggled to present a factual account – as it has happened.
An account which very clearly & obviously is describing a story as it evolves over the Internet.
For the most part – it is for the reader to interpret – through their various biases – as to the conclusion.
I have added my own conclusion – just as any other writer would – a conclusion arrived at admittedly through the limited perspective of the Internet – but that perspective has been the predominant condition of the unfolding of events – that’s the way it happened.
The Internet has unfortunately been the limited means available.

Given all that – where is the motivation for people to create organised campaigns of unsubstantiated objection?

Answer: The Internet.

People who are ignoring the obvious limitations of the Internet, using standards and logic blatantly in denial of that limited virtuality & which only apply in the real world – to provide a justification for bullying, the construction of a wholely distorted campaign of objection.

That is all that has been achieved.
All round – it is very little.
That includes my story – it is a speculation based on available evidence – arrived at through limited means.

It is down to the people directly concerned in that story to stand for themselves – and to do so with honesty, dignity and a respect for the real truth – not simply a perceived or manipulated truth.

We are still waiting . . .

ellumbra

OPEN QUESTION TO THE READERS OF THIS BLOG
Dear readers, since april 11 i started writing some long posts trying to explain ellumbra why lots of people calls him names, hates his scam saga and is annoyed by his childish behaviour. In my opinion he is deliberately avoiding to answer to my questions and objections, or he answers with non-answers which leave the questions unanswered.
I know that my long posts may be boring to read through but i would like to have some opinions from you, fellow readers, on this questions:
*Is what i wrote hard to understand?
*Are my questions and objections unclear?
*Is my english so shitty that an english speaking reader has no clue on what i’m talking about?
Thank you very much to who will reply; keep in mind that i am not searching for agreement: i am just wondering if the UK citizen of english mother tongue ellumbra is just trying to keep up his scam saga disregarding my questions and objections or he eventually doesn’t understand at all what i wrote!

Briscolone

My sad, old, paranoid, selfish, spoiled child; you keep writing what you believe to be true as if it were The Revealed Truth but you are the one who has not even a single little bit of evidence to show!

Can you please explain what is wrong in the statement above?
You go on your annoying blahblah and you talk about bullshit like “jigsaw of evidence”, “over-simplifying”, “true picture” but still you give NO evidence that your claims might be true.
You keep pretending that somebody trusts you after you have started the whole blogging saga with a paranoidiotic behaviour; how come you don’t understand that people doesn’t buy your side of the story when you are trying to sell, no; not to sell but to force your side giving no right of criticism?
The internet is something that you don’t really understand, ellumbra, when you put stuff in it, it might very well stay there forever because deletion can be either very difficult or impossible (e.g. sharing of downloaded copies between people if the original content becomes unavailable).

Let me quote again:
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As to your assertions about the character of the people involved, who as you admit are entirely unknown to you – it is not for you to presume either their innocence or their guilt.
[unquote]
And why should i believe you that they are innocent or guilty, can you give me one reason?

[quote]
That can only be confirmed in retrospect once the truth is known.
[unquote]
So all we should do is just sit and wait for The Big Revelation? How and when do you think that The Big Revelation will come? I ask because, so far, all i could see is your word and, as i said before, your word is not better than Mayen’s word or mr. Jalbuena’s word; on the contrary their words are more valuable to me because they did not use your arrogant and paranoidiotic behaviour when they spoke or posted something.
It saddens me a bit that you keep ignoring all the objections and you keep posting the same shit again and again; your shit can be summarized like: “i know things and you don’t, if you don’t want to believe me shut up”.
You are sick, ellumbra, you are showing that you are sick because you ignore your own faults and idiocy but you cry with mommy if somebody redistributes copies of the stupid blogs you posted with a license which clearly allows free copying and redistribution.
You are sick because i asked you many times why should somebody believe in what you say and not in what somebody else says and we both know that there is no answer to this question, other than “I believe in Ellumber, my Guru and The One who owns The Truth”.
When you say that Information can so easily be manufactured, that applies to you as well! WTF should i do with your useless videos? Blindly believe that there is a fake smudged scar in them, when i am the one who can teach you months of daily lessons about networking, editing, social behaviour through the internet, techniques of data mining and how to defend yourself from them, securing computer networks from standard and nonstandard threats etc. etc.? Now you are the one who should blindly believe in my word because i am not going to post my resumé here. And i don’t give a fuck if you don’t believe me. AFAIK you are a musician and i’m not gonna teach you your job but you won’t teach me mine.
If i thought that you were dangerous i would go through a complicated setup of proxy networking and use other techniques to prevent you from hacking into this blog and get my IP address and geo-location but i know that all you can do is whine and call my posts “angry rhetoric”.
On the contrary you clearly show a morbid interest in speculating over IP addresses of people and your paranoidiotic habit of always feeling an evil lurking behind each blogger or reader who comments against you.
Have you ever read anything about the Philippines’ networks infrastructure? Do you have a clue about their poor cabling and massive transfer through wireless networks to reach non-cabled areas with NAT and IP address sharing? No, all you know is your friend (Jim?) teaching how to use some basic tools like reading emails’ headers and whois database. Whatever does not corroborate and support your theory MUST be fake.
So please tell me why should your story be true to me and other readers of this blog? Why shouldn’t we believe that you are a lucky coward who escaped the consequences of his childish behaviour? Come on, mister cumper, give me one good reason why should i decide that you are right! Bring me The Big Revelation and i will see the light!

Briscolone

There really is no call for your angry rhetoric – just stick to a clean argument – you are not helping to make your point by illustrating it with invective.

You should be able to understand that above all, this is a matter of perception and perspective – it is not about blame or guilt.
Ambiguous as the story is – it remains open as to any conclusion – yet you should see ample justification for all of my caution.

As for your assertion that there would have been too many players – that is not the case – for only one or two were required to sow the seeds – which had I responded as anticipated – would have yielded the desired harvest.
From the moment that initial response was withheld – complications arose, involving other people to corroborate and elaborate.

As to your assertions about the character of the people involved, who as you admit are entirely unknown to you – it is not for you to presume either their innocence or their guilt.
That can only be confirmed in retrospect once the truth is known.
However, I can attest to the fact that Mayen has proved herself to be an excellent liar, and embroiderer of fiction, while facing a camera or writing emails and chats – there is no doubt in that.
You would have us believe all that is required to conceal the truth is a pretty face, a profession or a Philippine heritage – patently a generalisation of staggering proportions.

As to your statement regarding evidence – you are over-simplifying – you are not being realistic.
People employed in a deceit do not hand over evidence on a plate.
They employ care and cunning.
It is not as simple as reading a confession or discovering a fingerprint.
When the arena for this deceit is the Internet – and everything unfolds through the medium of information – the information itself must be regarded as far less significant than behaviour and attitude.

Information can so easily be manufactured, falsehoods are easily written, details can be so easily coloured in – after the event.

Behaviour and attitude are not as easily disguised.

However – it is impossible to accurately understand behaviour and attitude without a thorough understanding of motive.

The jigsaw of evidence is comprised of such components as those – and pieces that will only fit together through force, will not reveal the true picture.

It is because, ultimately, I am only interested in that true picture – that I am prepared to wait, to keep an open mind.
From the start it was my hope that others would be more concerned with that true picture also, and share my determined discovery of it.

Unfortunately, this aim has been severely hampered by the eruption of a petty and distorted campaign of bias and false accusation.
When the people concerned decide that they are not gaining any ground, or any credibility by fighting a battle of propaganda and perception – then the way forward to detect that truth will be clear.

My story will have achieved its aim of bringing this issue out into the open – for reasoned and impartial discussion.

ellumbra

My sad, old, paranoid, selfish, spoiled child; you keep writing what you believe to be true as if it were The Revealed Truth but you are the one who has not even a single little bit of evidence to show!
I don’t know Mayen, i have never had any kind of contact with her and i can do this: i can assume (just for the sake of discussion) that she wanted to get your money and disappear. In this scenario, what your devastated mind doesn’t seem to understand is that there would have been TOO MANY PLAYERS! You know, ellumbra, you are not the first one who discovered the scammers online: when the internet was moving its first paces worldwide, lots of people started dealing with the nigerian scammers, who then became famous as the “419 scammers”. Don’t think that being a member on dragonladies qualifies you as an expert on the matter; you might have been a target but all we have is your word and those terrible blogs. How can you expect everybody to believe in your word? Do you think you’re blessed or something like that? Do you think that being an UK citizen and mastering the english language much better than us non-brits gives you the power to hold the truth in your hands? Come on, you are not that stupid!
I don’t know mr. Jalbuena, i never had any kind of contact with him but i am reasonably sure that he was not trying to scam you or helping Mayen to scam you. If you only knew a bit about the Philippines and Pinoy people you would realize that a businessman who employs a few people and works in a field where money keeps flowing slowly but steadily (like traffic does in Metro Manila) has no evident need to compromise his reputation for… what? 70 thousand PhP? 140? You are blinded by the nightmare that you lived, ellumbra.
A street thug would knife you for your cellphone but a real estate businessman, a doctor, a professional nurse, a Pinoy working in a foreign embassy wouldn’t. Unless you wanna suppose that they were all part of a group of shabu-addicted scammers but, in this case, we’re again talking about something that you think may be true but we can’t see any evidence.
So, in the end, we’re still stuck to the same point: you WANT people to believe you, you don’t want people to believe in what Mayen and mrs. Dado and other people say on the matter but the evidence given by both parts is the same: words.
There is a difference, though: your behaviour was, in many, many people’s opinion, the behaviour of a total asshole who was just trying to cover his wrongdoing flooding the web with those blogs first and the other “tools” (facebook, twitter etc.) later.
This is the reason why:
-people is annoyed at you,
-somebody started blogging and working on SEO against you,
-mrs. Dado and/or Jepoy registered this domain name and started something about “TCW awareness”.
You think that those reactions were driven by an interest of covering up a scam but your brain, frozen by the terrible events that happened to you, cannot conceive that the way you exposed all this shit on the web makes people hate your guts.
If you had some little piece of evidence to prove that mr. Jalbuena is a bad man, why didn’t you either go for the law or post it somewhere? You can’t go on forever wanting that people blindly believes in you when somebody is saying a different version of the story.
Another thing that made you more harm than good was posting those idiot screenshots and movies of what you call a fake scar: first they don’t prove anything at all because they might be wisely edited (i could do that with a real scar in 10 minutes using free software and you’d believe it’s smudged); second you admitted somewhere that you lowered the resolution while claiming to have the originals that are the definitive proof. I and other people (non Pinoy and without any direct interest in you and Mayen) found this a ultramoronic behaviour. A liar’s behaviour.
Remember my example with the watermelon and the scale? I know that what happened to you is more important than a fruit because it involved your feelings but i won’t forget that you covered somebody with shit and now you are complaining because some of the shit is bouncing back at you. You are to blame for that!!! Will you ever understand that you handcrafted the shitty clothes that you are wearing online???
If the fruit seller sues me for defamation i am the one to blame because i flooded the net with blogs calling him a scammer. In court a blurred edited photo wouldn’t be a proof.
There’s another little thing that i wanted to point out: in one previous post you say:
[quote]
Mayen – who I have spent more time with than yourself – would not have demonstrated the nervousness you suggest about our marriage plans either.
She was street-wise and strong – not the type to be at all phased.
[unquote]
This is a point for you: all i know of Mayen is a beautiful face on an interview video, so you are supposed to know what she is and what she is not, right? That doesn’t go along very well with your idea that she was just a good actress simulating love while looking forward to get your money.
Or maybe you should say that you are not very good at understanding people, that making you an easy prey for a scam attempt but, then, how can you be sure that you know how she was and how she wasn’t? This is a classic snake biting its own tail and you won’t break that chain pretending blind trust from other people.
Mr. ellumbra, you still have no point and you have an established bad online reputation; i don’t feel anything but nuisance for you because your behaviour was a shithead’s behaviour from the start. Your attitude like “who is not on my side is a scammer or a scammers’ partner” won you many enemies and you have no chance of a clean way out of this puddle of shit if you don’t start acting as a reasonable man.
In my opinion Mayen might have been either honest in love or a scamming viper but you don’t have me and many, many others convinced that you are a victim. On the contrary you keep pushing our opinions towards the sad realization that you need a psychiatrist.
I am really happy that i don’t have to deal with you in the real world because your attitude (if you are the same online and offline) would really bring me to make a victim out of you. Is it so hard to understand? I know my english is far from perfect but what makes it so difficult for you to understand that on the net you are an annoying arrogant selfish paranoid builder of conspiracies that may be true but nobody knows for sure?
Now i typed enough and i leave you the homework to read and try to understand, if you can.

Briscolone

Briscolone – Your comments are perfectly reasonable for an outsider to make.
You are simply reading the situation as it is intended to be read.
Seeing as you are a relative newcomer to all this, you do not have the inside story.

Let me first of all correct your wrong assumption.
Apart from my original story and the satellite links set up – there was nothing else.
No twitter.
No facebook.
Just the story spread over four, linked blogs.
Everything else is a direct result of the orchestrated SEO campaign initiated early on (before you were around) by certain key bloggers.
Noemi Dado, Beng Hafner, Reyna Elena & John Phillips Bengero.

Remember this was a SEO campaign that they adopted.

My story would show up in the search engines from the search term Tierra Maria Estates.
It was to defend this, that the SEO campaign was designed – and it was countered with Tierra Maria Estates Scam Hoax.

There was little chance of anyone fresh using the search term Mayen, but much more chance of people searching for Tierra Maria Estates.

However, although the campaign was designed to protect the interests of the real estate company, it could not do so overtly and obviously, without the bloggers concerned revealing a connection.
It would have been obvious where the resources and motivation where coming from – so – conveniently – the story which accompanied these entries concentrated exclusively on exaggerating the sad plight of the girl & distorting the nature of events recorded in my story – giving the impression that you have understood – that it was all done in defence of the girl.

That impression is wrong.
It is a case of the business interest being disguised behind the distorted mask of an exaggerated moral concern – while demonstrating a total insulation from the original circle of people.

Convenient – and the material of the story is perfect to allow that to happen.

All that is required is a gentle incitement, through false accusation – and it appears that the propensity for lynchmob mentality and bullying takes care of the result.

ellumbra

OK, got that: Noemi Dado. So what? It could have been registered by Gordon Brown and administered by Prince Charles but that wouldn’t change the fact that this blog is here to balance your effort in spamming the web through blogs, facebook, twitter and any other way you can find with your holy message of the pure brit fighting the asian evil empire.
The sooner you understand that you are wasting your time the better; you could go feeding birds in a park instead.
If you were a reasonable man you would have no trouble in understanding that your word is worth anyone’s word and your silly blurry videos are worth nothing but, sadly, you are not a reasonable man. You clearly show, and you’ve been doing it for years, that you are a sad, old, paranoid, selfish, spoiled child who pretends attention, sympathy and blind trust from others.
Now go back to your video editing software and show us a nice vid of alien bursting out of a smudged scar in your forehead… that would be fun to watch.
By the way, you still keep ignoring the fact that your blogs, published under a CC license, are free to copy and redistribute. Have you ever read that license? If you wanted to claim copyright on that bullshit you should have published under a different license but, of course, the hellumbra sheriff hero would like to bend the net and the law to his own pleasure.
What a waste of oxygen you are!

Briscolone

For your information – the site here was registered by Noemi Dado.
Got that – Noemi Dado.

Ellumbra

OK, ellumbra, i’ve had enough of this bullshit. I’ve tried to let you understand why lots of people (and we are not a minority, believe me) think of you as an useless paranoid arrogant selfish moron etc. etc. but you keep coming here with the message of the one holding the truth in his holy hands.
The problem is, we don’t believe in you.
I agree with Kim Dae, once you post something on the net with a CC license, that becomes free for everybody to download, store, redistribute and you can’t do anything about that. So stop complaining.
If i want i can print it and give it to people in the streets but i don’t feel like wasting my time, paper and toner to let more people know how stupid your behaviour is. You’re very good at it without help.
So, this blog is here and will stay here as long as who created it (i think it’s Jepoy) likes to keep it here.
Since it’s clear that you don’t know a fuck about Pinoy people and their country, having only spent a short time there and you keep ignoring whatever opinion comes from who knows those subjetcs better; since it’s clear that you only want people to believe in your paranoidiot rants and if somebody doesn’t he/she is a scammer or a scammer’s friend; since i understand that i wasted my time trying to explain you why lots of people would prefer to bite a shit rather than shake your hand, now i will give up my effort and, from now on, i’ll stick to the good old namecalling. Just to remind you what you are.
You are a sad, paranoidiot, arrogant, useless, old and spoiled child who had a sex holiday in a developing country, went back to UK and started shitting all over the web with his verbal diarrhea and now is going nuts because, apart from some timewaster in dragonladies, most of the people see you for what you are: one who seeks attention and needs a shrink.
I hope you’ll be soon in a heavy chemical therapy, mister cumper, because your mental illness could be dangerous to others. For you i don’t care, if you feel like killing yourself i won’t mourn your loss. Now i stop typing and i go praying that you’ll be out of the web soon and forever.
Why don’t you go to southern Mindanao wearing an anti-muslim t-shirt?

Briscolone

tim cumper, you liar. I can freely archive your blog and repost it anywhere I like as long as I link back to your site. ANYONE CAN! You placed a Creative Commons license hence, we can copy them as long as we want.

You imbecile moron.

Kim Dae

The answer is “of course” all those scenarios were considered.
Without alternatives, there would have been no dilemma – but the dilemma was certainly very real, and so was the possibility of things being not quite how they were being portrayed.
A possibility deduced from known facts, events which had already happened.
You may argue about the motivation behind them – but you cannot argue about the presence of the events themselves.
You may disagree with much of my speculation – but you must agree with the ambiguous perspective that provided an opportunity for that speculation to be justified.

You would have people believe that the very first thing I did was to make the story public.
The facts written speak for themselves on this matter – it was as a last resort – and only after the arrival of yet more justified cause for great suspicion.

The facts also speak loud and clear regarding the reaction to the story.
Please remember – you are in a minority.
The voice of propaganda represents the tiniest fraction of readership – do not mislead yourselves or others in that respect.

Yes – people can ban and block and ignore and no one can argue the rights f or that or indeed writing their own opinions in their own spaces.
The matter of rights is not the issue – it is the matters of behaviour and content.
Behaviour that indicates an unwillingness to communicate on any level other than the flippant.
Content that patently reveals bullying tactics based on entirely unsubstantiated knowledge.

Bullies who are prepared to hide away from questions.
Cowards.

Once made public, my story has been in private mode only rarely – while the material was being reviewed and updates to the style of presentation were being made.
Recently it was all put in draft mode as I prepared to remove it entirely from the Internet.
However, those plans were scuppered by the appearance of this website – revealing unauthorised archives of the entire story.
I am not having my presence usurped under such conditions.

I will agree, that early on – being naive to the Internet and blogging in general – I did yield to suspicions relating to many comments made.
However, this naivety was supported again by the transparent way in which the story was being exaggerated and spitefully misrepresented.

A good example of this can be found in your last comment. The issue of an entire organisation being behind the suspected scam.
This is only one – the most tentative – of many speculations which delve into the possibilities of what took place.
Any reader who has taken care to absorb the story will understand that I have always considered it more likely that a small-scale plan expanded, having been challenged.
This expansion grew to include more and more people.
Some could simply be names provided.
Others might simply have been doing favours – after all, there were people of considerable resources & influence who were keen to rescue their reputation.
I stress time and again that this is by far the most likely scenario – and one that requires no money to change hands whatsoever.

Of course – this version is entirely ignored in your desperate efforts to create propaganda – and the version which is so tentative and ridiculous is hoisted up the flag-pole instead.

That is your method.
To exaggerate – to distort.

The involvement of one single person at the Embassy is not too far-fetched.
After all – he was merely passing on information fed to him from the hospital accounts manager – in response to my email, sent at the suggestion from the marketing manager of the real estate company.
The information was entirely unchecked for veracity – however – this can easily be masked behind the disguise of responding to my request and the apparent authority of originating from an Embassy.
No risk involved to anyone.
The only risk is if certain connections, certain liasons were to be discovered – highly unlikely.

Your statement about Mayen refusing to sign a document of waiver is ludicrious – if you are to believe her stance on the matter of our relationship presented by her continued communication after the event.
Has Mayen ever stated anywhere, that she refused to sign the waiver document that would have been an instant salvation to the whole situation?

Mayen – who I have spent more time with than yourself – would not have demonstrated the nervousness you suggest about our marriage plans either.
She was street-wise and strong – not the type to be at all phased.

To repeat what I stated at the head of this comment.

Of course all the other considerations were thought about.
It was through Mayen’s invitation that I had to think about all those possibilities.
Mayen’s version of the story is portrayed in the scenario that was presented to me as being totally true – the reasons for requiring the payment for a hospital bill.
Of course that version was considered.

It was considered alongside all the others – not exclusively.
You have all been considering it exclusively – and disregarding any possible alternatives.

Isn’t that a sign of a closed minds?
A signal of a biased intent?
An indicator of disrespect for the truth?

ellumbra

Ok, since you keep talking about “truth” but you want people to believe that you own the truth (and most of the people will never believe that) consider this:
*The bias comes as a reaction to your attitude.
*Whatever you wrote in your blogs could very well be a product of a kid with too much time to waste online or a product of a paranoid mind or a coward who just wants to get some support, in order to cover his own wrongdoings.
*People will form their opinions based on what they read (your stuff) and what they can see (your videos, and that equals to near zero).
*People will always react in a negative way to your annoying behaviour; are you sure you are not a hardcore republican from the usa? I ask because that’s your behaviour: who doesn’t side with me is my enemy, a thief, a scammer etc. etc.
*People can ban whoever they like from their own blogs or online places; it’s their own right and you have to accept that. It’s the same thing with your house: you will close the door and let those who are annoying you out.
*Nobody is ever forced to answer to an email; again is an individual right to reply or not.

Now you will probably ask why do all of the above apply to your case; the answer (from one who had the chance to read the whole blog you originally posted before closing it in invite-only mode, and read lots of your comments on other blogs or forums and other people’s reactions to your posts and comments) is simple: you are annoying and arrogant. Please note that i am not writing this because i find it fun; i decided to write these last long posts because i suddenly started thinking that maybe you really don’t understand anything about communication through the net and its sociological aspects and, unfortunately, you keep talking about the truth but that supposed truth exists only inside your mind.
Just to mention a few examples, you got some sympathetical comments on worldoffilipinas forum but people with long experience on filipino matters, after reading your blog (before you closed it) started disagreeing with you because they found excessive levels of paranoia in it and your famous habit of owning the truth and expecting others to blindly believe in you. In return you started to be rude and call names.
In liveinthephilippines you got the same reactions, and mostly from people who live in the Philippines and clearly have a much better knowledge of what the country is and how Pinoy people are. You show thah you have a near-to-nothing knowledge of those matters, apart from the fact that Pound is a stronger currency than Peso and a handful of Pounds would make a lot of poor Pinoy people happy (but that applies to poor brits, poverty is not a Pinoy-only problem)

Now let’s switch to Mayen, that is the girl you went to Philippines for; let’s say (just for the sake of discussion) that she planned the scam and only wanted to get one or two thousands from you.
In this scenario, you should try to consider some things:
1-the number of people you involve in the supposed scam attempt is way too big for it to be true; we are not talking about a girl who gets westernunioned 50 bucks from a gullible western man because the carabao is sick, we are talking of an excessive number of actors working for what? For a share in a one-time scam of £2K? That’s ridiculous, especially because of the next
2-some of the supposed scammers are, from what you wrote about them, well doing professionals (medical doctors, professional nurses, real estate agents, actors, embassy employees) and you can bet your balls that they wouldn’t risk their jobs to get a share of a £2K scam. Especially the embassy staff; do you know that it’s considered a dream job to work in a foreign embassy there? Do you know that they are well paid and have good chances to stay there until they can retire but they can be fired if the employer (embassy or consulate) suspects them of wrongdoing? If you know that you still think that they would risk it all for a share in the scam? In my opinion, and my Pinoy friends opinion, those clerks in the embassy wouldn’t risk their jobs for the whole £2K thing, let alone a tenth of it.
Having dealt with the scamming crew, which in my opinion exists only in your wet nightmares, let’s go back to Mayen.
-Have you ever considered that she might have been really pregnant?
-Have you ever considered that she might have had no other chance to go theough a surgery because that was really the ectopic thing and she risked to die with her bowels full of blood?
-Have you ever considered that what you described as a strange behaviour (before the incident) was only normal nervousness due to a totally new situation, a relationship with a foreigner, big changes in her life on sight? After all you are the one who talked about divorcing, living the UK, moving to the Philippines, buying a condo etc. etc.
-Have you ever considered that in the average Pinay girl the above scenario equals to get ready for a wedding? Do you think that it’s a matter to face like going to the mall to buy a new cellphone?
-Have you ever considered that her employer might be a good man and not a master-of-the-scammers? Have you ever considered that he might care for Mayen because he is a good man, without hidden goals?
-Have you ever considered that the Hospital is forbidden to talk about a certain patient with a total stranger, as you were, since you are not a relative of Mayen and “boyfriend” means nothing to them without a written permit of disclosure signed by Mayen herself? Ever considered that Mayen herself probably refused to sign whatever paper involving you and paid her debt to the hospital with family money/pawned land/employers help because she felt that you were abandoning her to her fate? Ever considered that your suspicion in such a hard situation destroyed her faith in you?
-Have you ever considered that “strong possibilities of collusion” means absolutely nothing when you’re trying to sell’em as truth and mrs. Dado, who i don’t know, might just be a Pinay who is offended both as a woman and as a Pinay because of your behaviour?
-Have you ever considered that when you started flooding the web with your blogs (which shows a strong possibility of your guilt) a girl who was in debt, emotionally hammered and let’s add more than a bit confused found herself exposed on the web as something that she is not, and lots of people started being sorry for her and helping her to fight you with the same weapons? Do you think that Mayen has the same easy access to the net that you have in your place in the UK with a nice DLS connection thanx to BT or whatever provider you use?
In my opinion you have never considered all of the above, because you thought that the world + dog started a conspiracy against YOU, that YOU know the truth and who doesn’t believe it on your word is a scammer, that YOU were so lucky to miss the Big Scam that could have destroyed YOU, that YOU have every right to shoot shit at whoever doesn’t sympathize with YOU and that the others are not allowed to disagree with YOU.
Summarizing: you only care about YOUrself and you pretend that the web is there for YOU to show how honest YOU are and how dangerous was what could have happen to YOU.
So, after saying again that your behaviour is a mix of childish + stubborn + arrogant + blind i say again that i don’t believe in “what YOU say is the truth”, that i don’t believe in any of the supposed evidence you say you showed, i don’t believe that there was an orchestrated scam attempt and even if the girl wanted to scam i won’t buy that she was supported by all that bunch of people you accused, i honestly feel that, scam or not, you deserved whatever could happen because you wanted to “feel it without a condom and who cares of the risks” and you were really a lucky coward to escape the consequences of your immatue behaviour at an inch’s lenght.
I wish you were there when the girl was claiming to be pregnant; that would have saved the web from your flood of verbal diarrhea and there would be no reason now for a http://www.timcumper.com and lots of people annoyed at you.
Done with YOU, mr. Tim Selfish Cumper. Remember that the world revolves around the sun, not around YOU.
Jepoy, i beg your pardon for my last loong posts but i just wanted to try tell this poor man why lots of people think that he should stop writing nonsense on the web and spend his time playing piano instead of the toy-trumpets of defeat.

Briscolone

* First encounters display obvious signs of bias.
* Complete lack of detailed and thorough analysis in responses reveals lack of respect for truth.
* Strong possibilities of collusion demonstrated from Noemi Dado.
* Propaganda campaign takes off – it is no more than hollow bullying.
* Retaliation to bullying is demonstrated.
* Propaganda sites withdraw commenting facilities – blocking and banning techniques employed.
* Majority of emails unanswered.
* Personal hatred gradually becomes disguised motive for activity.
* New motive adopted universally to conceal original collusion by Noemi Dado, centering around this very website – set up by Noemi Dado for that purpose.

Bayanihan payola – at its best.

Ellumbra

OK – Briscolone – you have said your bit, relieved a bit of the pressure – good.

Let me straighten out one or two errors.

Calling the “operation” a watermelon is misleading.

a) I was not searching for an operation.
b) It was hoisted upon me – in idea only.
c) The burden of proof remains with the people who hoisted this idea – to prove that it was more than just an idea – and was actually true.
d) That burden of proof has not been satisfactorily met.
e) There was no running away – there was simply not a “running to.” I stood my ground, awaiting this proof, for which I set the bar at official confirmation by way of communication from the hospital involved – as per all advice received and my own common sense.
f) It is perfectly clear that I was willing to honour my obligations to the girl, as I had already booked another visit while being under the impression that she was “pregnant”.
g) The “emergency” had already been dealt with and the matter was now entirely about how it would be settled, financially, the money for which I had already drawn from my account.

Now – ignoring everything else that has happened since – that is the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth.
It is the truth which has been ignored, distorted and twisted beyond all recognition – by people, who you will admit, know absolutely nothing about the facts.

It is a truth which is self-evident to anyone who reads the story.

It is the truth about the very nature of the events – as they happened – it is a simple statement of fact.

My speculations describe optional scenarios for why the events transpired in this manner.

None of which are proved.

It should be obvious that because the nature of the situation was that it was still unfolding remotely, at long distance – and those personalities central to that situation were unable to provide timely and satisfactory proof – in order to proceed with discovering the actuality of the situation – the circle of appeal therefore had to expand.

This expansion was confronted by an immediately hostile denial. Instead of dealing exclusively with the core components, in detail – they were ignored – and all effort and attention was given to countering the speculation – purely to gain supremacy of propaganda – by people who were completely unconnected.

That is all you have achieved – which is nothing but a smokescreen – determined in its aim at obliterating any illumination of the truth.
It is in a counter direction to the truth.
It is obscuring.
It is of no value whatsoever – other than propaganda.
It is transparently remote from the truth.

It has been undertaken by people, expert in the field of the Internet – for that specific reason only – to create a smokescreen.
All the while demonstrating a complete lack of concern and respect for the truth of the original situation – satisfactorily illustrating the environment in which the original events took place.

That’s it – in black and white.

Ellumbra

Ellumbrino-grabbadabba-paranoid-sheriff, you can go on forever playing the trumpets of victory but everybody can clearly see that you’re a loser.
The facts are here and there and everywhere to show what you are; your blogs are in google’s cache, in the internet archive, downloaded in .pdf format from various websites and your comments in many blogs or forums are there too.
So, sheriff of the paranoidiot town, it’s ok if you go on fighting your war against Jepoy and his friends but you are the one who doesn’t realize that you are fighting against yourself.

Let me rewrite your stupid story with a slightly different plot:
I go to the market and i want to buy a watermelon.
The fruit seller wants £10 for the watermelon i pick.
I say “ok i’ll be back in a while with your £10″ and run away.
At home i start publishing 96 blogs, more or less using every free blogging service that i can find, crying that the fruit seller was trying to scam me because the watermelon was rotten or his scale was tampered in order to steal on the fruit’s weight.
I post a blurred photo that may eventually be a scale or may not and i tell every blog reader that it’s the proof of the fruit-scam i was nearly got caught into.
I accuse the fruit seller’s neighbours, the municipal administration, the pope and the Dalai Lama of being part of the scam because they didn’t move a finger to stop the scam.
I accuse every blogger or reader who doesn’t 100% agree with me of being part of the scam (including people who could never be part of something that they could never have witnessed because they were thousands of miles away at the moment of the supposed scam).
When the reactions against my childish behaviour start to get loud i close most of my blogs and leave one or a few of them up, but set to invite-only mode.
When finally somebody gets pissed off at me for my really stupid and stubborn and childish behaviour, and starts blogging against my ill manners, i go nuts and start accusing everybody of being scammers, scammers’ friends or having some special interest in something that may not exist at all.
Since the blogging against me goes on and SEO is used to send my useless blogs to fuck-off (that is where they belong), i start harassing those bloggers and their friends and relatives, obtaining as the only result that more people start to hate me.
I keep posting with multiple nicknames, i create fake identities to support my stupid scam story, i publish a different photo that’s still blurred and may or may not be a fruit seller’s scale but still i give no evidence of a scam.
I keep expecting everybody to believe to my words and to a useless photo. I keep calling scammer everyone who doesn’t buy my story.
What’s the result of this endless idiocy? Lots of people hate me, my childish behaviour and manners and nobody wins but i lose.

This may be not 100% accurate, there probably is something wrong in the timeline but changing “me” with “ellumbra”, changing “watermelon” with “ectopic pregnancy” etc. etc. it is what happened with you, your damned trip to the Philippines and the internet.

If you were a reasonable man, which i know you are not, you wouldn’t pretend that the world believes your word and give you the right to hold The Truth in your hands.
Now, if you can read what i wrote above and use some logic, you will see why you can find lots of posts in many places calling you a moron: that happens because you have been behaving like a moron for a long, long time.
Since i am not connected to Mayen, to her employer, to any hospital, embassy, Jepoy and friends, i have no other interest in this bullshit-conspiration-international-scam-story than supporting those who are really fed up with your sad-paranoid-childish behaviour.

To finish this long post i’ll say that whatever happened to you, scam or not, having unprotected sex with a girl in a foreign country of which you know nearly nothing (the Philippines is really far from the UK and not only in miles) you deserved whatever could have happened to you because of that but you were oh so lucky to escape the consequences. That makes you a lucky coward.
Now go on calling names and playing your victory-toy-trumpet but, again, who can read can see that you are the one behaving like a total moron and a lucky coward.
Have a good time, out of the net – please.

Briscolone

I wrote – ” . . . having relied entirely on exaggeration and distortion so far. . .”

Thank you for illustrating the truth of my words so admirably – I’m going to have to relieve you of your six-shooters, if you keep on shooting yourself in the foot like that.

So – Briscolone and his lynchmob – hobbled out of town . . . cursing their own clumsiness.

Sheriff Elumbrino

Sheriff Ellumbrino, “Law” and “Honour” are words that in your mouth are really inappropriate.
You keep playing the stubborn, sad, spoiled old child while you could use your time in many other ways.
You call people “unethical” after you spent time and effort in throwing shit at other people’s face through your dozens blogs? Have you ever been visited by a shrink?
Your paranoia is half amusing and half disturbing; don’t forget that we’re here to expose the enormous level of idiocy that you show.
Listen to some good advice: go to hell; the world will be a better place if you do.

Briscolone

dun-dun-dun-dun-dah!

Showdown at high-noon!

dun-dun-dun-dun-dah!

It’s the Briscolone Kid – the streets empty themselves when he arrives in town.
Women, children & grown men all run for cover.
Yes folks – the smell is that bad.

All, that is except Sheriff Elumbrino – upholder of the law – with his shiny badge.

Briscolone and his lynchmob have come to town to sort out a vendetta of honour. They say that they care for the truth – but have yet to demonstrate that fact – having relied entirely on exaggeration and distortion so far.

Don’t miss the next (less than) thrilling episode . . .

Ellumbrino

Ellumbrino, go back to your precious keyboards; i mean those keyboards you can find on a piano or a synthesizer. Leave alone the computer keyboards because you’re only using them to show the whole web what kind of sad old children you are.
We care for the truth but we are not supposed to believe in whatever bullshit your sick fantasy spits on your and other people’s blogs.
Why should we believe in everything you say, after you clearly behaved like a moron spamming and harassing, and shouldn’t we believe in somebody else’s words?
Go on a happy retirement out of the web, timcumper; the more you insist with your paranoid propaganda, the more the web sees you for what you are. We feel pity for you too but you are really boring us.
By the way, i’d really like to confront you on a one to one basis but we are not in the good old times of the wild-wild-west, so it’s much better if you go to hell and i avoid going to jail for a sick, sad, paranoid old children who doesn’t wanna pay the price for his own idiot behaviour.
p.s. : let me know when you wanna go 6 feet under, i have good contacts in the tomb business, i may get you a discount for the engraving job on your tombstone. I may add a nice LCD screen on it that will show forever your useless videos to the poor visitors of your grave.

Briscolone

You are all doing your country proud.

Showing that you do not care a damn for the truth.

All you are interested in is being contemptuous.

What a pathetic bunch – I feel pity for you all.

Ellumbra

TO ALL READERS – Briscolone is one of those sniveling, cowardly, yellow-bellied, unethical, unconscionable wretches – lurking in the anonymity of the Internet – shaking in his pathetic boots – afraid to confront me on a one to one basis.
He has no truth worth listening to, so all he can possibly do is make feeble, insulting comments.
He is a coward – a feeble bully.

The only thing he and all the commentators here are achieving – is proving what a bunch of LOW-LIFES you all are – portraying yourselves in such a way as to make such a scam as this – perfectly possible.

It’s typical of how you are all behaving.

Ellumbra

Administration on this website is just keeping up the good work: showing what kind of silly old child this paranoid (ellumbra, umbrella, chacer and another billion of identities) really is!
I wonder if he’s gonna have his idiotic blog engraved on the tombstone when he will finally rest in peace.

Briscolone

Administration on this website is altering the data posted in messages – to reflect their biased aim.
Be warned.

Ellumbra

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